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Sept 5, 2017 11:27:31 GMT
Post by hillbillyred on Sept 5, 2017 11:27:31 GMT
"I would imagine this to be one if not the worst end to a season in the clubs 138 year history"
I am not sure as some results in the 50's and 20's were poor but I cannot check.
Out of interest, I looked at 2006 when the ending blundered into a poor start in 2007 which ended Mr Harrison's reign.
Yes we lost games but the longest losing streak was three matchs. Our worst result was that day at Bradford when we last were in the play-offs (6-52) but several close results. So perhaps, correct.
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Watto
Sept 5, 2017 11:38:14 GMT
Post by JJR on Sept 5, 2017 11:38:14 GMT
Got to look at the big picture though. Last year we were only able to recruit at the death after winning the big game, so we didn't get the players we necessarily wanted. Carney for example only came in about mid season.
This year, the Club know who's staying, has freed up some big space and, with MKs support can move to the next level needs has the time to do it.
So it's poor at the moment with 5 of our front line players out but let's look where we are, safe and able to look forward to the next phase. That's what's going to be way for next season, hopefully. So come on Sale Reds 😉!
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Watto
Sept 5, 2017 12:23:01 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 5, 2017 12:23:01 GMT
"I would imagine this to be one if not the worst end to a season in the clubs 138 year history" I am not sure as some results in the 50's and 20's were poor but I cannot check. Out of interest, I looked at 2006 when the ending blundered into a poor start in 2007 which ended Mr Harrison's reign. Yes we lost games but the longest losing streak was three matchs. Our worst result was that day at Bradford when we last were in the play-offs (6-52) but several close results. So perhaps, correct. It his the manner in the way we have lost that is the worry for me You can go on about the size of the squad or injuries.On Friday we had Lui and Carney who have played in the NRL at half back but we had no direction and to be frank Wakefield are only work man like.The more I think about it I would not be surprised if Watson was shown the door. |
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Sept 5, 2017 15:07:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 15:07:15 GMT
"I would imagine this to be one if not the worst end to a season in the clubs 138 year history" I am not sure as some results in the 50's and 20's were poor but I cannot check. Out of interest, I looked at 2006 when the ending blundered into a poor start in 2007 which ended Mr Harrison's reign. Yes we lost games but the longest losing streak was three matchs. Our worst result was that day at Bradford when we last were in the play-offs (6-52) but several close results. So perhaps, correct. It his the manner in the way we have lost that is the worry for me You can go on about the size of the squad or injuries.On Friday we had Lui and Carney who have played in the NRL at half back but we had no direction and to be frank Wakefield are only work man like.The more I think about it I would not be surprised if Watson was shown the door. Jesus I need to go lie down in a darkened room as this is me agreeing with you again. Are Kyd will be most upset  |
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Watto
Sept 5, 2017 17:32:45 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 5, 2017 17:32:45 GMT
It his the manner in the way we have lost that is the worry for me You can go on about the size of the squad or injuries.On Friday we had Lui and Carney who have played in the NRL at half back but we had no direction and to be frank Wakefield are only work man like.The more I think about it I would not be surprised if Watson was shown the door. Jesus I need to go lie down in a darkened room as this is me agreeing with you again. Are Kyd will be most upset M R come into the light.And all will be revealed |
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Sept 5, 2017 17:42:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 17:42:02 GMT
Jesus I need to go lie down in a darkened room as this is me agreeing with you again. Are Kyd will be most upset M R come into the light.And all will be revealed No Dixon I like ladies but thanks for the offer sweetie  |
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Watto
Sept 5, 2017 19:04:17 GMT
Post by lemmy on Sept 5, 2017 19:04:17 GMT
I really don't know what to think about our current situation. I'd like to think it's simply a case of running out of steam, injuries; maybe starting the season a bit too fast to avoid a repeat of last year, rather than it being a marathon and not a sprint. In this case, I'd hope next season we can learn from our mistakes, make some astute signings and be challenging for a top 4 spot right until the end. That's my optimistic side - on the other hand, to capitulate that badly, and considering who our chairman is, it just seems like something is seriously wrong behind the scenes..... If Watson's target for this season was simply to avoid the Middle 8s, then he's met his target and should be given another chance for next season. Chopping and changing coaches all the time is never good. Okay, the last half of the season has been a disaster, really disappointing, but ultimately he's delivered what was asked of him (if that was his target). Only time will tell I guess. Definitely looks like we're in for an interesting off-season anyway! I agree with many of your points but how do you sell season tickets and sponsorship on the back of a highly probable 13 straight defeats? I would imagine this to be one if not the worst end to a season in the clubs 138 year history. The team has literally fell off a cliff. If we are going to keep faith with Watto I think it's vital the club invests in 2/3 top quality signings to generate some new optimism for the future. If we only sign fringe players or has-beens I think we could be heading for a long and painful 2018 season. I wonder if there are a few regrets now about signing some players up on extended deals? Is it any coincidence it all went Pete Tong shortly after the ink had dried on some shiny new contracts? Yeah good point about season tickets and sponsorship. Unless we can somehow market it as our best regular season finish in however many years and our first Cup Semi since 1998 - and brush the recent form under a "it was only the playoffs which went wrong" carpet - which I doubt though. As you said, we'll need a few top quality players if we're to compete next season - especially with Dobson going. And not any knee-jerk type has-beens or 'Koukash' signings. Regarding the new contracts for players, you can only go off the information you have at the time when it comes to signing players or extending deals. At the time, where were we, second or third in the table, and playing some great rugby. On the other hand, whenever a player has performed reasonably well for us, they've often signed for one of the traditional bigger clubs, many a time. Signing a load of new contracts mid-season might have been in an attempt to stop this happening, but poorly executed possibly (paying too much, complacency setting in?). As you said, you can't deny our form has gone tits up since then. |
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Sept 6, 2017 11:15:01 GMT
Post by mrg on Sept 6, 2017 11:15:01 GMT
When Watto & indeed the majority of the playing staff signed contract extensions, I don't recall seeing any negative messages on here, yet now we're having a run of bad form (or things are back to normal) people seem to be saying it was a mistake.
The form we were in, other clubs must have been looking and it was right to tie them into deals, even if the long game was as a squad player next season. We were 2nd/3rd/4th and everyone at the time was playing well enough to deserve a contract extension, stability was a big part of the success in the early part of this year.
Watto recently signed a 3 year deal so it'll cost MK to get rid now, plus - who's available ? The last 3 months have been heartbreaking and diabolical to watch but there are still 3 games left, 3 good performances, and maybe a win or 2 and things will look different, hopefully recruitment started once we were safe and with a quality Dobbo replacment, a couple of other statement signings and a good off season we should go ok again next year.
It's all about the recruitment for me now, I hope we've set our sights higher than picking the bones of the relegated team.
As a quick straw poll too - based on ongoing rumours / speculation who would you rather own the club next year
MK or the Simon Orange & the Sale Sharks Crew ?
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Sept 6, 2017 11:33:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 11:33:49 GMT
Simon Orange & the Sale Sharks Crew.
I think you'll find that I did say at the time the wholesale signing of players was a mistake, not going into the reasons again but I just think it was crazy to sign everyone up pêle-mêle especially mid season.
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Sept 6, 2017 13:17:44 GMT
Post by redwolf on Sept 6, 2017 13:17:44 GMT
Surely 10 defeats on the trot isn't acceptable to anyone, in any sport - something has to change as we can't end the season like this. I really hope the club had got everything already sorted (sponsorship contracts etc) before this big slump. Hope we have quality players already signed up including one or two marquee players, to give the fans a reason to want to come back its the only way imo (and pray MK is going to support the club in any way it needs!)
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Post by JJR on Sept 6, 2017 19:39:18 GMT
It's difficult to get stability into the club when 15 players had contracts which terminated at the end of this season. Some were perhaps given too big an extension but Blease had to STABILISE the club. Players can always be weeded out. It's probably better having a few extra on contract than losing half a dozen.
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Watto
Sept 9, 2017 10:13:22 GMT
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Post by hammerlessnail on Sept 9, 2017 10:13:22 GMT
The current bilge that the team is producing is unmarketable really, think the ideal would have been to put 2018 season tickets on sale the moment we knew we were safe. You could also make a case for making the 2018 signings at that point, the club is not exactly marketable to an NRL player with options of other clubs at the moment as it looks like it is in free fall. If the rumour about Michael Maguire to Warrington is correct we need to be all over getting Smith onboard in a DOR capacity to help Watson out ASAP, for me that would be the ideal set up. There's a 70+ page thread on the Warrington subforum of RLFans full of Warrington fans who want Tony Smith out of the club. It's like a training day at The Samaritans. They cite various reasons, but poor coaching and poor recruitment top the list. It's hard to argue with either of them. Coaching wise, they finished in the bottom four and he appears to have a marked reluctance to drop underperforming players. Recruitment wise, they signed Asotasi, Russell, Bailey, Sims, Brown, Hughes, Gidley...has-beens, never-weres and never-will-bes. I'm not sure bringing him in could be described as "ideal". Just a quick update. The Smith Out thread is now over 80 pages long, and it seems that Peta Hiku - arguably the only decent signing they've made in the last three years - wants out. It's reaching the point where Jacko on Radio Manchester might feel the need to go overboard about it, and start a " Are Warrington a club in crisis?" thing. Sadly, Tony Smith is becoming less ideal by the day. Apropos of nothing, I saw Tony on Deansgate in Manchester yesterday afternoon. He was standing near the junction with Bridge Street and was on his phone to someone. As I walked past, I'm sure I heard him say "I can start straight after the MPG, Marwan. My first act will be to sign that Scott Grix from Wakefield. He's ace." I lied about what I heard him say, but I did see him yesterday. I've seen him around the centre of Manchester a few times. It makes you wonder if he's gone part-time or something. |
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Watto
Sept 9, 2017 10:23:40 GMT
Post by JJR on Sept 9, 2017 10:23:40 GMT
Apparently Hiku joining NZ Warriors.
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Watto
Sept 11, 2017 9:31:57 GMT
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Post by woody74 on Sept 11, 2017 9:31:57 GMT
There's a 70+ page thread on the Warrington subforum of RLFans full of Warrington fans who want Tony Smith out of the club. It's like a training day at The Samaritans. They cite various reasons, but poor coaching and poor recruitment top the list. It's hard to argue with either of them. Coaching wise, they finished in the bottom four and he appears to have a marked reluctance to drop underperforming players. Recruitment wise, they signed Asotasi, Russell, Bailey, Sims, Brown, Hughes, Gidley...has-beens, never-weres and never-will-bes. I'm not sure bringing him in could be described as "ideal". Just a quick update. The Smith Out thread is now over 80 pages long, and it seems that Peta Hiku - arguably the only decent signing they've made in the last three years - wants out. It's reaching the point where Jacko on Radio Manchester might feel the need to go overboard about it, and start a " Are Warrington a club in crisis?" thing. Sadly, Tony Smith is becoming less ideal by the day. Apropos of nothing, I saw Tony on Deansgate in Manchester yesterday afternoon. He was standing near the junction with Bridge Street and was on his phone to someone. As I walked past, I'm sure I heard him say "I can start straight after the MPG, Marwan. My first act will be to sign that Scott Grix from Wakefield. He's ace." I lied about what I heard him say, but I did see him yesterday. I've seen him around the centre of Manchester a few times. It makes you wonder if he's gone part-time or something. Let's hope you haven't tempted fate mate... Confirmed he leaves Wire at the end of the season 😁 |
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Sept 11, 2017 11:33:19 GMT
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Post by gadger on Sept 11, 2017 11:33:19 GMT
I don't think that would be a bad thing, as a DOR at least. And provided Koukash allows him free reign. He completely changed wire from top to bottom, starting at the bottom with the youth while at the same time taking a massively under acheiving team from the mess they were in under Cullen/lowes to winning the cup.
He had a great owner who let him do what he wants at Warrington, would he be allowed the same luxuries at Salford? If so I think he could be great for us.
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