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Aug 23, 2017 21:49:31 GMT
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Post by chang on Aug 23, 2017 21:49:31 GMT
Yes and last season we was in the MPG and held on by the skin of our teeth, this season we finished 4th and CC semi. And before you bring up the points deduction, do you remember our performance is after that? Especially in the middles 8s against London etc. Friend I have never mentioned the points deduction you did. Are you saying the performance v London was down to Sheens and not Watson or what are you saying.As for the semi final you have to admit we weren't taxed to much getting there where when we arrived we were in it for 40 minutes in the second half we never looked like winning.As for this season in League we did well to finish 4th.But we have won once in the last ten games and Sheens his not here. I feel like I'm repeating myself here. What I'm saying is we have done considerably better this season without Sheens than we have the previous 2 seasons whilst he was with us. This is a fact. |
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 21:52:20 GMT
Post by JJR on Aug 23, 2017 21:52:20 GMT
Dixon is there just one positive bone in your body?
Try and look athe things we've achieved, you'll enjoy your beer with a smile on your face.
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 22:03:25 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 23, 2017 22:03:25 GMT
Dixon is there just one positive bone in your body? Try and look athe things we've achieved, you'll enjoy your beer with a smile on your face. Friend I enjoy pint every time I go the bar.Yes we have achieved our goal safety first.What do you want to do the open top bus round the City. |
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Watto
Aug 24, 2017 6:49:40 GMT
Post by JJR on Aug 24, 2017 6:49:40 GMT
Good idea, I knew you could be positive.
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Watto
Aug 24, 2017 13:29:26 GMT
Post by thevulcanone on Aug 24, 2017 13:29:26 GMT
Have a look at the debt carried by the club and guaranteed by MK and you might see what he's done for the Club. Without him we wouldn't have a team at all, never mind an academy. You can't just keep investing in the future if you have no present! I have always accepted that we wouldn't have had a club without him and I thank him for that. Before we accept your premise that MK is guaranteeing the debt personally I'd want some evidence of that. i thought the new company was paying off the debt to the old company but don't know how much has actually changed hands. Maybe it's not his plan to invest,that's his right,it's his club,but 'keep investing' assumes he has already put in big bucks. Ive no idea whether that's the case,have you ? I know for certain that last season he was putting in 50k a month to keep the club running. Not sure about this season. |
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Watto
Aug 25, 2017 7:37:28 GMT
Post by manny on Aug 25, 2017 7:37:28 GMT
There can be no denying we have a small squad but none of us can be certain if it was the size of squad Watson asked the owner for or that the owner bestowed on him, we can't know for certain if Watson has asked for certain players for next season or if he has been told the money available must be used to secure the services of the current squad. I said many months ago the en masse resigning of the current squad is dangerous as there must always be a cull of a few and an injection of new blood into the system, my personal thoughts are that we have possibly gone to far down the retention route. As Dixon mentions it is troubling that in the midst of our best season in a generation local talent is still not coming to the club but to our competitors, does the blame lie with a lack of scouting, finances or someone at the club in the Sheens ilk who goes to Koucash and says we need these players? I think the trouble with Salford, and it always has been, is the desire for quick fixes instead of putting into place long term goals that will help greatly to what they want to achieve. Not having an Academy at this stage could possibly set us back ten years in development with regards to fostering good relations with local teams, and enticing youngsters to want to play for us. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Great strategy in theory but much easier said than done if you are a small and success starved club. When the club have unearthed talent and developed them we usually always end up losing them when bigger clubs come sniffing. Stephenson, O'Neil, Yates, Byrne, Fletcher, Groves, Bloor, O'Conner, McAvoy, Naylor, Coley, Myler, Sneyd, Fages. etc, etc. The only possible exception was Alker who was paid over and above his worth to stay. I guarantee if we had developed more top talent over the years we would have lost them as well. Throw 200K-300K a year and a lot of time and energy at an academy to be a feeder club for the bigger teams? |
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Aug 25, 2017 7:58:29 GMT
Post by Carnster on Aug 25, 2017 7:58:29 GMT
I think the trouble with Salford, and it always has been, is the desire for quick fixes instead of putting into place long term goals that will help greatly to what they want to achieve. Not having an Academy at this stage could possibly set us back ten years in development with regards to fostering good relations with local teams, and enticing youngsters to want to play for us. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Great strategy in theory but much easier said than done if you are a small and success starved club. When the club have unearthed talent and developed them we usually always end up losing them when bigger clubs come sniffing. Stephenson, O'Neil, Yates, Byrne, Fletcher, Groves, Bloor, O'Conner, McAvoy, Naylor, Coley, Myler, Sneyd, Fages. etc, etc. The only possible exception was Alker who was paid over and above his worth to stay. I guarantee if we had developed more top talent over the years we would have lost them as well. Even so, development of youngsters, even if they leave, still allow cap reductions. A club can have up to 100k off their cap if youngsters they develop play regular SL games, even for other clubs. That's a large chunk of cap you could spend on a couple of players or a big name. Every little helps. Having a decent conveyor-belt of talent coming through can only be benificial. Be it with great young players or financial dispensations to improve the roster. |
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Post by manny on Aug 25, 2017 8:03:43 GMT
Even so, development of youngsters, even if they leave, still allow cap reductions. A club can have up to 100k off their cap if youngsters they develop play regular SL games, even for other clubs. That's a large chunk of cap you could spend on a couple of players or a big name. Every little helps. Having a decent conveyor-belt of talent coming through can only be benificial. Be it with great young players or financial dispensations to improve the roster. I agree this is beneficial but the problem is Salford usually get the crumbs off the table when it comes to signing the best kids. Occasionally one may slip through the net but we never get first or second pick like other teams. |
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Post by Carnster on Aug 25, 2017 9:55:28 GMT
Even so, development of youngsters, even if they leave, still allow cap reductions. A club can have up to 100k off their cap if youngsters they develop play regular SL games, even for other clubs. That's a large chunk of cap you could spend on a couple of players or a big name. Every little helps. Having a decent conveyor-belt of talent coming through can only be benificial. Be it with great young players or financial dispensations to improve the roster. I agree this is beneficial but the problem is Salford usually get the crumbs off the table when it comes to signing the best kids. Occasionally one may slip through the net but we never get first or second pick like other teams. We get the crumbs because we go with a begging bowl. Kids, and more importantly their parents, will be attracted to clubs with decent track records of bringing kids through. A stable, nurturing environment where they will flourish and be given the best chance. If a club doesn't have that in place it wont attract the right kids. |
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Watto
Aug 25, 2017 12:19:01 GMT
Post by scoot on Aug 25, 2017 12:19:01 GMT
I agree this is beneficial but the problem is Salford usually get the crumbs off the table when it comes to signing the best kids. Occasionally one may slip through the net but we never get first or second pick like other teams. We get the crumbs because we go with a begging bowl. Kids, and more importantly their parents, will be attracted to clubs with decent track records of bringing kids through. A stable, nurturing environment where they will flourish and be given the best chance. If a club doesn't have that in place it wont attract the right kids. I think the Clubs new policy is, why spend £200,000 on a youth set up ,when you can just offer the best deal to someone coming off contract. Let the other clubs have the academy's and bring them through, then we can offer them big bucks to sign for us. Saves a lot of hard work |
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Post by gadger on Aug 25, 2017 14:23:20 GMT
We get the crumbs because we go with a begging bowl. Kids, and more importantly their parents, will be attracted to clubs with decent track records of bringing kids through. A stable, nurturing environment where they will flourish and be given the best chance. If a club doesn't have that in place it wont attract the right kids. I think the Clubs new policy is, why spend £200,000 on a youth set up ,when you can just offer the best deal to someone coming off contract. Let the other clubs have the academy's and bring them through, then we can offer them big bucks to sign for us. Saves a lot of hard work It does, and I do kind of understand that logic. I don't think it's the best idea for all the reasons mentioned already, but also it fosters a good relationship with the local clubs. I live in warrrington and you can see how important that is, majority of local teams players aspire to play for Warrington but also go there every week to support them. If they don't make it they are still fans. It's a bit short sighted in my opinion. |
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Post by JJR on Aug 31, 2017 7:22:37 GMT
See Watto has stated he went early doors to get into the top eight, after last year. Stated that he over played some players who became worn out, had too small a squad but would look to both strengthen the squad and increase its size this year. The semi was a bonus that the team probably could have done without.
Seems good to me.
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Watto
Aug 31, 2017 7:38:17 GMT
Post by Carnster on Aug 31, 2017 7:38:17 GMT
See Watto has stated he went early doors to get into the top eight, after last year. Stated that he over played some players who became worn out, had too small a squad but would look to both strengthen the squad and increase its size this year. The semi was a bonus that the team probably could have done without. Seems good to me. Pretty much what most of us were thinking. Except a few who want to blame MK for everything. I think it's important to remember that Watson is also learning and developing as a coach. It already seems that he has identified areas he needs to work on for himself and the team, which can only be a good thing going forward. |
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Watto
Aug 31, 2017 9:19:47 GMT
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Post by gadger on Aug 31, 2017 9:19:47 GMT
See Watto has stated he went early doors to get into the top eight, after last year. Stated that he over played some players who became worn out, had too small a squad but would look to both strengthen the squad and increase its size this year. The semi was a bonus that the team probably could have done without. Seems good to me. I think he has alluded to this before and it's a good point, it's probably the most logical reason for the dip we've had and for me it is the most preferred version! We had to go big early doors to guarantee top 8 and to that end it's worked. With hindsight we were pretty nailed on earlier in the season and we could have let a few have a game or so rest earlier on, but who knows what that would have done, could have had a negative effect on the young lads coming in if we'd taken a beating. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 10:25:41 GMT
Think if that's true the cup run was a hinderance, the key was playing the same in form players week in week out until you could see they were shots from the stands.
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