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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 7:44:44 GMT
After last nights performance Watson needs to take a look at himself, if he is going to continue as a SL coach he needs to learn how to adapt and change during a game and figure out some tactics as there seems to be non.
I personally think the Doc will lose patience with him at the end of the season and he'll be gone, not saying it's what I'd prefer but think it will happen.
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Watto
Sept 2, 2017 17:40:56 GMT
Post by earlybath on Sept 2, 2017 17:40:56 GMT
Agree MR
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Watto
Sept 2, 2017 18:12:48 GMT
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Post by gadger on Sept 2, 2017 18:12:48 GMT
I don't think he can or should sack Watson, he has been been given a target to stay away from the middle 8s and he's more than passed that. I don't think you can sack someone who has essentially over acheived. I'm as disillusioned as everyone else at the minute but i think it would be unfair not to give Watson another go at this.
I would say the target needs to be higher next season, and if we start like we've ended this I wouldn't wait around too long before a change is made.
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Watto
Sept 2, 2017 18:50:15 GMT
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Post by woody74 on Sept 2, 2017 18:50:15 GMT
For me it's been the manor of the defeats which have been the most hard to take. Hull, Leigh (absolutely shocking) and last night have been the pick of the bunch. If we'd have slumped to where we are by losing games by a few points or so, then I'd take it on the chin. I like watson, his interviews, his positivity and for a young coach I will not be jumping on any band wagon to see him gone. However, tactically we have been so one dimensional during games for a top flight RL club to be true, and that's unacceptable. And, as many have already said, been long sussed out by other teams. I hope he is still with us come pre season, but game plans must simply improve/change or it could be a long season ahead. Hope MK doesn't run out of patience, but the way things are going I have a feeling that might be the case.
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Watto
Sept 3, 2017 16:45:08 GMT
Post by earlybath on Sept 3, 2017 16:45:08 GMT
Me too Woody - I just cannot trust MKs mood swings
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Watto
Sept 3, 2017 17:03:41 GMT
Post by JJR on Sept 3, 2017 17:03:41 GMT
Don't think he will, he's emotional but he's bright. He will recognise we've made progress and we weren't a million miles away from Wembley.
We achieved more than we set ourselves this year but ran out of men. In the cold light of day our season sadly ended with the semi defeat. So next year I think he'll have 5 or 6 more recruits; the only doubt is a potential deal with Sale and Jason Orange.
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Watto
Sept 3, 2017 17:15:10 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 3, 2017 17:15:10 GMT
Don't think he will, he's emotional but he's bright. He will recognise we've made progress and we weren't a million miles away from Wembley. We achieved more than we set ourselves this year but ran out of men. In the cold light of day our season sadly ended with the semi defeat. So next year I think he'll have 5 or 6 more recruits; the only doubt is a potential deal with Sale and Jason Orange. Do I think Watson should be with us next season,yes.Do I think he will be I wouldn't put money on it.I say yes for the first part of the season and a top four finish.But we have to admit that for the last three months we have watched tripe. |
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Post by manny on Sept 4, 2017 7:55:23 GMT
That's 10 straight defeats now and potentially 13 the way the team are performing and support is dwindling away fast. My concern is how are the club are going to sell themselves and get people to buy 2018 season tickets and corporate packages based on the rubbish of the past few weeks? Last year we finished on such a high and this year is the complete opposite. Granted Watto and the team appeared to be doing a tremendous job for 2 thirds of the season but even taking a few injuries into consideration there appears to be something more now than just a few players out. The fighting spirit and enthusiasm has completely gone and this has to reflect badly on the coach.
The question is does MK keep faith or attempt to attract a more proven high profile coach with experience and success? The worry is if he does keep faith and the team starts 2018 like we have ended 2017 it becomes a real problem because the quality of coaching candidates will be very limited once the season has started. A big commercial decision for MK awaits me thinks.
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Watto
Sept 4, 2017 8:12:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 8:12:37 GMT
The current bilge that the team is producing is unmarketable really, think the ideal would have been to put 2018 season tickets on sale the moment we knew we were safe. You could also make a case for making the 2018 signings at that point, the club is not exactly marketable to an NRL player with options of other clubs at the moment as it looks like it is in free fall.
If the rumour about Michael Maguire to Warrington is correct we need to be all over getting Smith onboard in a DOR capacity to help Watson out ASAP, for me that would be the ideal set up.
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Sept 4, 2017 11:54:23 GMT
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Post by hammerlessnail on Sept 4, 2017 11:54:23 GMT
Don't think he will, he's emotional but he's bright. He will recognise we've made progress and we weren't a million miles away from Wembley. We achieved more than we set ourselves this year but ran out of men. In the cold light of day our season sadly ended with the semi defeat. So next year I think he'll have 5 or 6 more recruits; the only doubt is a potential deal with Sale and Jason Orange. Jason Orange is a member of inexplicably popular inanity warblers Take That. The consortium that took over at Sale is led by his brother, Terry's Chocolate. |
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Post by hammerlessnail on Sept 4, 2017 12:01:53 GMT
The current bilge that the team is producing is unmarketable really, think the ideal would have been to put 2018 season tickets on sale the moment we knew we were safe. You could also make a case for making the 2018 signings at that point, the club is not exactly marketable to an NRL player with options of other clubs at the moment as it looks like it is in free fall. If the rumour about Michael Maguire to Warrington is correct we need to be all over getting Smith onboard in a DOR capacity to help Watson out ASAP, for me that would be the ideal set up. There's a 70+ page thread on the Warrington subforum of RLFans full of Warrington fans who want Tony Smith out of the club. It's like a training day at The Samaritans. They cite various reasons, but poor coaching and poor recruitment top the list. It's hard to argue with either of them. Coaching wise, they finished in the bottom four and he appears to have a marked reluctance to drop underperforming players. Recruitment wise, they signed Asotasi, Russell, Bailey, Sims, Brown, Hughes, Gidley...has-beens, never-weres and never-will-bes. I'm not sure bringing him in could be described as "ideal". |
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Post by Carnster on Sept 4, 2017 13:03:35 GMT
The current bilge that the team is producing is unmarketable really, think the ideal would have been to put 2018 season tickets on sale the moment we knew we were safe. You could also make a case for making the 2018 signings at that point, the club is not exactly marketable to an NRL player with options of other clubs at the moment as it looks like it is in free fall. If the rumour about Michael Maguire to Warrington is correct we need to be all over getting Smith onboard in a DOR capacity to help Watson out ASAP, for me that would be the ideal set up. There's a 70+ page thread on the Warrington subforum of RLFans full of Warrington fans who want Tony Smith out of the club. It's like a training day at The Samaritans. They cite various reasons, but poor coaching and poor recruitment top the list. It's hard to argue with either of them. Coaching wise, they finished in the bottom four and he appears to have a marked reluctance to drop underperforming players. Recruitment wise, they signed Asotasi, Russell, Bailey, Sims, Brown, Hughes, Gidley...has-beens, never-weres and never-will-bes. I'm not sure bringing him in could be described as "ideal". Agreed. Smith is very much on the same has-been water flume as Brian Noble. |
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Watto
Sept 4, 2017 19:00:21 GMT
Post by lemmy on Sept 4, 2017 19:00:21 GMT
I really don't know what to think about our current situation. I'd like to think it's simply a case of running out of steam, injuries; maybe starting the season a bit too fast to avoid a repeat of last year, rather than it being a marathon and not a sprint. In this case, I'd hope next season we can learn from our mistakes, make some astute signings and be challenging for a top 4 spot right until the end.
That's my optimistic side - on the other hand, to capitulate that badly, and considering who our chairman is, it just seems like something is seriously wrong behind the scenes.....
If Watson's target for this season was simply to avoid the Middle 8s, then he's met his target and should be given another chance for next season. Chopping and changing coaches all the time is never good. Okay, the last half of the season has been a disaster, really disappointing, but ultimately he's delivered what was asked of him (if that was his target).
Only time will tell I guess. Definitely looks like we're in for an interesting off-season anyway!
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Watto
Sept 5, 2017 8:59:08 GMT
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Post by Astleyred on Sept 5, 2017 8:59:08 GMT
Tbf to IW he's over met expectations, if the the target given was top 8 and avoid the middles.
A top 4 finish and SF appearance isn't too shabby, it's just the performances of the second half of the season have taken the shine of this terrific performance.
The concerning thing for me is the manner of the defeats, apart from the SF display the rest of the defeats have been by some margin and the display on Friday was the most worrying, the body language of some of the players was worrying.
With regards to off field issues as Carnster stated I will not be jumping to any conclusions until / if something surfaces.
The way the rots set in it's going to be one hell of a task to pull a win out of those 3 remaining games to try and get a little positivity back, but the obvious knock on impact of this is the fans losing confidence and trying to find issues where they possibly do not exist......MK still seems upbeat and positive on twitter nothing negative coming out to say otherwise.
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Watto
Sept 5, 2017 9:13:06 GMT
Post by manny on Sept 5, 2017 9:13:06 GMT
I really don't know what to think about our current situation. I'd like to think it's simply a case of running out of steam, injuries; maybe starting the season a bit too fast to avoid a repeat of last year, rather than it being a marathon and not a sprint. In this case, I'd hope next season we can learn from our mistakes, make some astute signings and be challenging for a top 4 spot right until the end. That's my optimistic side - on the other hand, to capitulate that badly, and considering who our chairman is, it just seems like something is seriously wrong behind the scenes..... If Watson's target for this season was simply to avoid the Middle 8s, then he's met his target and should be given another chance for next season. Chopping and changing coaches all the time is never good. Okay, the last half of the season has been a disaster, really disappointing, but ultimately he's delivered what was asked of him (if that was his target). Only time will tell I guess. Definitely looks like we're in for an interesting off-season anyway! I agree with many of your points but how do you sell season tickets and sponsorship on the back of a highly probable 13 straight defeats? I would imagine this to be one if not the worst end to a season in the clubs 138 year history. The team has literally fell off a cliff. If we are going to keep faith with Watto I think it's vital the club invests in 2/3 top quality signings to generate some new optimism for the future. If we only sign fringe players or has-beens I think we could be heading for a long and painful 2018 season. I wonder if there are a few regrets now about signing some players up on extended deals? Is it any coincidence it all went Pete Tong shortly after the ink had dried on some shiny new contracts? |
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