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Aug 23, 2017 13:36:49 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 23, 2017 13:36:49 GMT
There can be no denying we have a small squad but none of us can be certain if it was the size of squad Watson asked the owner for or that the owner bestowed on him, we can't know for certain if Watson has asked for certain players for next season or if he has been told the money available must be used to secure the services of the current squad. I said many months ago the en masse resigning of the current squad is dangerous as there must always be a cull of a few and an injection of new blood into the system, my personal thoughts are that we have possibly gone to far down the retention route. As Dixon mentions it is troubling that in the midst of our best season in a generation local talent is still not coming to the club but to our competitors, does the blame lie with a lack of scouting, finances or someone at the club in the Sheens ilk who goes to Koucash and says we need these players? Salford has always had a strange relationship with the amateur game. Thirty-odd years ago, the influx of decent youngsters came towards Salford via Warrington. The Wire academy set-up was so bad that Wire supporting youngsters preferred to trial with Salford. The irony here is that with the appointment of a particularly poor academy coach meant a lot of those youngsters faded out of the game completely. Salford used to rely on some of the older heads at the club to basically do the scouting for them on the fly, without having anyone dedicated or paid to do the job. It seems that little has changed on that front over the years. The fact that we have abandoned the academy and we have yet to build a good reputation for stability means that most youngsters heads are turned in the direction of other clubs. One of the reasons Wigan, Saints, and Leeds have been so good at picking up youngsters is that they always employed proper scouts. Once a club gets a good reputation at bringing youngsters through it becomes a self-perpetuating feature. Hence why Wigan, Saints, and now Wire get the cream of the crop from the amateur game. I think the trouble with Salford, and it always has been, is the desire for quick fixes instead of putting into place long term goals that will help greatly to what they want to achieve. Not having an Academy at this stage could possibly set us back ten years in development with regards to fostering good relations with local teams, and enticing youngsters to want to play for us. I think it is about time the owner decides what he wants from the club going forward and stop his antics.He also said at the same meeting that I mentioned when asked about the academy it cost Two hundred thousand and that he wouldn't be funding it.Again that's he's choice and we have go a long with it.But I would say again it is scandalous when youngster from the area are going to our competitors.It not about what Wilky did thirty years ago he has handed the batton over. |
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 13:42:55 GMT
Post by JJR on Aug 23, 2017 13:42:55 GMT
Perhaps you'd like to inject the £200k?
If I were in his shoes I'd do the same. Prune, get the base right, get the supporters in and then when it's proven, invest. Only a fool keeps throwing money down a bottomless pit.
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 14:34:14 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 23, 2017 14:34:14 GMT
Perhaps you'd like to inject the £200k? If I were in his shoes I'd do the same. Prune, get the base right, get the supporters in and then when it's proven, invest. Only a fool keeps throwing monweey down a bottomless pit. You are talking silly.Their his nothing left to prune. |
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 15:19:35 GMT
Post by hillbillyred on Aug 23, 2017 15:19:35 GMT
fans?
I know a few who have been pruned.
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 15:50:28 GMT
Post by bonitared on Aug 23, 2017 15:50:28 GMT
Perhaps you'd like to inject the £200k? If I were in his shoes I'd do the same. Prune, get the base right, get the supporters in and then when it's proven, invest. Only a fool keeps throwing money down a bottomless pit. You're normally quite clued up so can you answer this? There is a view,prevalent amongst some supporters,that MK hasn't actually put in big bucks but lived off central RFL funding,tv money and brinksmanship with the council. In addition I'm not sure how much money has passed from him to the creditors of the old club. Now this may be wrong,I very much hope it is, and whatever his strategy,ultimately it was he who saved the club. So the question is,do you have any idea how much it's cost him thus far ? |
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 16:03:24 GMT
Post by JJR on Aug 23, 2017 16:03:24 GMT
Sorry BR not a clue but I would think that all the erratic behaviour over the past year or two has something to do with funding and the Council.
Need to get a look at the club accounts, must be held and available somewhere.
I would think a good amount of money has been invested but like everything in life if you get no return why keep flogging a dead horse. Pity we didn't get Sheens early doors instead of the original team of experts, who presumably were well rewarded and left the Club in a shambles.
I admire MK for sticking with it but I do wish he'd listen to the fans; he could get lots of free help and expertise. But we'll see.
Anyway we're going forward, it's been a good season, lots of progress has been made and let's hope he will listen in the future.
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 16:30:55 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 23, 2017 16:30:55 GMT
Perhaps you'd like to inject the £200k? If I were in his shoes I'd do the same. Prune, get the base right, get the supporters in and then when it's proven, invest. Only a fool keeps throwing money down a bottomless pit. You're normally quite clued up so can you answer this? There is a view,prevalent amongst some supporters,that MK hasn't actually put in big bucks but lived off central RFL funding,tv money and brinksmanship with the council. In addition I'm not sure how much money has passed from him to the creditors of the old club. Now this may be wrong,I very much hope it is, and whatever his strategy,ultimately it was he who saved the club. So the question is,do you have any idea how much it's cost him thus far ? The smart money is that we are not paying rent,or certainly not what we should be.All that we can do is get another season ticket if we stay as Salford of course.And hope we get to 22 points next term.But you do wonder why Tim Sheens went to Hull KR was it that he changed is mind and wanted to coach,or was it he realised the owner wouldn't listen because we have certainly mist his experience and knowledge. |
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Post by chang on Aug 23, 2017 17:28:14 GMT
Looking at the hard facts, not guesswork and hearsay.
We haven't missed Sheens, we have improved since his 2 years at the club.
You could say this is due to his groundwork but you could also say his old ways held us back, who knows? Hull KR haven't exactly stormed the championship in the way you'd expect.
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 17:43:54 GMT
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Post by gadger on Aug 23, 2017 17:43:54 GMT
Perhaps you'd like to inject the £200k? If I were in his shoes I'd do the same. Prune, get the base right, get the supporters in and then when it's proven, invest. Only a fool keeps throwing money down a bottomless pit. Didn't the keighley owner come out and say that's rubbish a few weeks back? I'd like to bet Robbie paul ain't working for nowt, let's put that to an academy it's a start at least |
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 17:55:09 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 23, 2017 17:55:09 GMT
Looking at the hard facts, not guesswork and hearsay. We haven't missed Sheens, we have improved since his 2 years at the club. You could say this is due to his groundwork but you could also say his old ways held us back, who knows? Hull KR haven't exactly stormed the championship in the way you'd expect. The man was here last season.He went just before the M P G.But you are right you could say a lot of things.Like it will be going dark before morning. |
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 18:00:00 GMT
Post by JJR on Aug 23, 2017 18:00:00 GMT
Have a look at the debt carried by the club and guaranteed by MK and you might see what he's done for the Club. Without him we wouldn't have a team at all, never mind an academy.
You can't just keep investing in the future if you have no present!
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Aug 23, 2017 18:07:26 GMT
Post by bonitared on Aug 23, 2017 18:07:26 GMT
Have a look at the debt carried by the club and guaranteed by MK and you might see what he's done for the Club. Without him we wouldn't have a team at all, never mind an academy. You can't just keep investing in the future if you have no present! I have always accepted that we wouldn't have had a club without him and I thank him for that. Before we accept your premise that MK is guaranteeing the debt personally I'd want some evidence of that. i thought the new company was paying off the debt to the old company but don't know how much has actually changed hands. Maybe it's not his plan to invest,that's his right,it's his club,but 'keep investing' assumes he has already put in big bucks. Ive no idea whether that's the case,have you ? |
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 18:11:27 GMT
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Post by gadger on Aug 23, 2017 18:11:27 GMT
Have a look at the debt carried by the club and guaranteed by MK and you might see what he's done for the Club. Without him we wouldn't have a team at all, never mind an academy. You can't just keep investing in the future if you have no present! I'm well aware of the situation we were in before Marwan came along, i like most treated him like a saviour and would not have a bad word said against him. However over the past few years the amount of times we've been lied to, the amount of issues we've had with players/companies not being paid, the salary cap issues, will he won't he stay last year, will he won't he change the name this year... that for me was the final straw. I am grateful for what he did, but now I just don't trust him. |
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 18:13:55 GMT
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Post by chang on Aug 23, 2017 18:13:55 GMT
Looking at the hard facts, not guesswork and hearsay. We haven't missed Sheens, we have improved since his 2 years at the club. You could say this is due to his groundwork but you could also say his old ways held us back, who knows? Hull KR haven't exactly stormed the championship in the way you'd expect. The man was here last season.He went just before the M P G.But you are right you could say a lot of things.Like it will be going dark before morning. Yes and last season we was in the MPG and held on by the skin of our teeth, this season we finished 4th and CC semi. And before you bring up the points deduction, do you remember our performance is after that? Especially in the middles 8s against London etc. |
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Watto
Aug 23, 2017 21:37:48 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 23, 2017 21:37:48 GMT
The man was here last season.He went just before the M P G.But you are right you could say a lot of things.Like it will be going dark before morning. Yes and last season we was in the MPG and held on by the skin of our teeth, this season we finished 4th and CC semi. And before you bring up the points deduction, do you remember our performance is after that? Especially in the middles 8s against London etc. Friend I have never mentioned the points deduction you did. Are you saying the performance v London was down to Sheens and not Watson or what are you saying.As for the semi final you have to admit we weren't taxed to much getting there where when we arrived we were in it for 40 minutes in the second half we never looked like winning.As for this season in League we did well to finish 4th.But we have won once in the last ten games and Sheens his not here. |
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