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Post by gadger on Aug 22, 2021 22:06:43 GMT
Rubbish Many of you on here only spout when we lose. You should be looking far deeper than the Coaching staff. Obviously I am in a minority but I am blaming the players rather than the Coaches. Who would you retain? For me - Inu, Watkins, Sarge (? unsure), Williams, Atkin, Johnson, Ackers, Luckley, Taylor (? unsure), (Escare (? Don`t think Coach wants him), Ormondroyd (? unsure), Greenwood I would certainly go for Bell (nap) & maybe 3 from Toulouse if they don`t obtain Promotion. 2 from Batley, 1 from Newcastle etc - there are some decent players with ABILITY in the lower leagues. So you wouldn’t keep Livett? Or Burgess? I like the look of Wells, probably keep Tui and Seb if they weren’t going. Costello I would give another chance to, and Johnson. Im not doubting the players are at fault, but why is that? You can’t keep defending the coaches blindly I don’t think there are many who only “spout” when we lose, I as most say as they see. We all want the club to progress, but it’s not happening. |
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Post by stadge on Aug 22, 2021 23:19:37 GMT
I posted earlier in the season about how I had been watching Salford since1973 and been a Season Ticket holder since 1990.
I said that In that time we have had poor teams, who have been relegated. However, they still played with heart and had structures and game plans. Ultimately, they were just not good enough as players.
This season, I see a team that is poor because they have no structure in either attack or defence. They are amongst the lowest scoring teams in the 3 divisions. Yet, the players do have the ability to do much better.At the start of the season, this Forum was largely of the view it was the strongest squad we have had for many years.
It is clear the players are being poorly coached. The idea that the players are not Marshall’s is ludicrous. His job as a Coach is to devise a plan that gets the best out of his players whoever they are.
The players are clearly not engaged by the Coach. The ongoing lack of discipline suggests that the players are not responding to him.
I had reservations before the start of the season about Marshall. He was spouting data about how he had improved each player by 20% and strengthened the defence. He struck me as sounding like one of the consultants who I encountered in my years in the public sector who would reel of reams of data to make you believe they knew what they were doing and that everyone else didn’t. Then there was his stupid comments after the opening game against St. Helens when he said that we had shown our improvement as we lost 40-0 last season.
Every press conference is the same but nothing has really changed all season.
The second half against Huddersfield was encouraging, as I posted. But I wonder now was that more about the players trying to prove a point to Watson? However, it did show what they can do albeit against poor Giants team.
All told we have gone backwards this season in every way. At times it has been diabolical.
Marshall must go. If not Salford will be heading to the Championship next season. I feel so down about what I have seen this season that my close on 50 years of attendance may be coming to an end.
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Post by Carnster on Aug 23, 2021 6:35:48 GMT
I'm frankly baffled that at this stage there are still people blaming players and not the coaches. Why do we employ any coaches if there is no managerial responsibility? On paper, we have players capable of playing at a way higher standard than they are doing. I'd even suggest that some of the less glamorous names we have would perform better elsewhere without a doubt. They all just don't become awful players overnight, those qualities that they have are still there, they're just not being brought to the front and allowed to flourish. All because they are managed and coached in a way that is obviously not working.
I'm sure the club will stick with the current coaches, but it is in danger of losing a good percentage of its core support at the moment. I've not seen so many angry, disgruntled, and fed-up Salford fans for a long time and some of them are those that prop-up the club financially in sponsorship. Something I've never seen happen before. The number of season ticket holders at breaking point is unbelievable.
Sometimes people need to make tough decisions, and the club needs to think carefully. It looks to me that the plan is one of hope and luck. Hope that RM and DO get their acts together, take off the oversize shoes and red noses and miraculously turn a corner. The alternative seems to frighten our leaders, namely cut the losses now before another disrupted pre-season starts.
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Post by robin on Aug 23, 2021 7:09:37 GMT
As on 'onlooker' who occasionally reads your board i am surprised Ken Sio isn't a 'keep' for next season. He always seems to play well when you have matches televised or is he going elsewhere or retiring ?
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Post by JJR on Aug 23, 2021 7:38:43 GMT
We have 2 experienced wingers in Burgess and Williams and adding Russell and a young prospect
Probably a decision on cost and money…Sio will probably be at the top of our wage bill and at 31 now a bit more injury prone. We probably need the top money used in other areas.
Marshall bringing in younger players as well.
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Post by bonitared on Aug 23, 2021 7:44:16 GMT
As on 'onlooker' who occasionally reads your board i am surprised Ken Sio isn't a 'keep' for next season. He always seems to play well when you have matches televised or is he going elsewhere or retiring ? He’s a top player. I think that either we think we can spend that money better elsewhere or someone has come in with a stonking offer that we won’t match. As regards performance,this is a decent set of players,clearly not worldbeaters,but better than many squads we’ve had in the past. Marshall is fighting for his first grade coaching future here,and I wish him well in the limited number of matches he has left to prove himself |
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Post by JJR on Aug 23, 2021 8:01:57 GMT
Agree BR, Sio a great player.
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Post by mauricethered on Aug 23, 2021 8:20:24 GMT
I'm frankly baffled that at this stage there are still people blaming players and not the coaches. Why do we employ any coaches if there is no managerial responsibility? On paper, we have players capable of playing at a way higher standard than they are doing. I'd even suggest that some of the less glamorous names we have would perform better elsewhere without a doubt. They all just don't become awful players overnight, those qualities that they have are still there, they're just not being brought to the front and allowed to flourish. All because they are managed and coached in a way that is obviously not working. I'm sure the club will stick with the current coaches, but it is in danger of losing a good percentage of its core support at the moment. I've not seen so many angry, disgruntled, and fed-up Salford fans for a long time and some of them are those that prop-up the club financially in sponsorship. Something I've never seen happen before. The number of season ticket holders at breaking point is unbelievable. Sometimes people need to make tough decisions, and the club needs to think carefully. It looks to me that the plan is one of hope and luck. Hope that RM and DO get their acts together, take off the oversize shoes and red noses and miraculously turn a corner. The alternative seems to frighten our leaders, namely cut the losses now before another disrupted pre-season start. I agree with Carnster. As a fan I will find it really hard to turn up on Thursday and watch that dross. Don't mind getting beat if we try or compete, yes the players are at fault but the coaching staff more. I cannot remember a season where a coach has not known he's best 13. Why play small forwards like Johnson/Olmondroyd/Taylor/Addy/Livett and omit Roberts and Luckley who add size against a big Leigh pack. Time for Blease to earn his money and lead the club and make those difficult decisions. |
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Post by earlybath on Aug 23, 2021 8:40:05 GMT
I wont keep arguing with you Maurice but frankly you and many others have no idea what Covid has done to the squad - hence RMs rotation and playing `unusual` line ups. Not only - should you survive - Covid knocks the stuffing out of you and many players have returned far earlier than they should. Look at Pauli Pauli at Wigan or even Lannon yesterday who was blowing after just five minutes. I just hope that this pandemic will be beaten soon. Now RM - You know my view and that is to give him until say 10 matches in 2022 then if unsuccessful he should walk. I presume also that your father is in the `Lam Out` brigade at Wigan. Must run in the family  |
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Post by JJR on Aug 23, 2021 8:49:04 GMT
Agree re Covid EB, makes it a v odd season. Apparently Taylor lost a load of weight with it.
Additionally we have our two starting props out Mossop and Ika and our main strike forward Pauli.
Not looking for excuses but how do you judge when teams are all over place this year.
How did Higano play?
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Post by cyclopsred on Aug 23, 2021 8:50:17 GMT
RM's selections are both baffling and inconsistent and he clearly overrates some players. Discipline reflects the players attitude towards the coach. I am beginning to think he is either incapable of getting his message across or the players pay little attention to what he says.
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Post by mauricethered on Aug 23, 2021 8:59:06 GMT
Every team has had Covid to deal with not just Salford. Covid cannot be used as an excuse for poor discipline or a lack of structure in attack, yesterdays attack was just give to Tui. That is my issue with Marshall, 10 months and no sign of cohesion within the Salford team unit. Arguably at the backend of last year with hardly any players fit we played much better.
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Post by Carnster on Aug 23, 2021 9:12:36 GMT
Agree re Covid EB, makes it a v odd season. Apparently Taylor lost a load of weight with it. Additionally we have our two starting props out Mossop and Ika and our main strike forward Pauli. Not looking for excuses but how do you judge when teams are all over place this year. How did Higano play? Covid would be a valid excuse if it only effected us. It hasn't. It's effected every team. Every one. At this stage, people are just searching for excuses. It's not the obstacles that are causing the team to be unfit, uninterested, unable to do the basics without farting it up, and executing a dreadful game plan each week. I've seen first hand what awful coaching does to RL teams. It fractures players into cliques, constantly drops morale, and makes players focus on their options elsewhere. It stops effort when its required and makes teams go through the motions. I have no knowledge of whether that is happening at Salford, but from outside looking in they tick all the boxes. Coaches take the plaudits when things go well, and rightly so. It's what they do in a highly pressure filled job, but coaches also take the fall when things don't work. The buck stops with them, and at the moment nothing is working. |
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Post by Rossy on Aug 23, 2021 9:32:29 GMT
What is it with us never beating leigh at their place. I would love to know our penalty count for this season, must be the most in the league. No excuse though for the simple things that cost us points like Tui's long forward pass or for Brown not to kick it out. We just looked so flat yesterday. Only Sarg I thought who was our best player but apart from that nothing else was positive for me
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Post by JJR on Aug 23, 2021 10:30:43 GMT
Marwan there with Beaumont
Strong talk again of him joining Leigh. So they’ll now have a ground and good money and lots of tweets.
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