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Post by russ on Apr 17, 2021 21:20:49 GMT
The hope has to lie in our ability to improve, and I've no doubt we will, but those performances are rock bottom.
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Post by manny on Apr 17, 2021 22:00:37 GMT
It’s clear the confidence is draining with each match. Players are making uncharacteristic errors because they’re continually playing catch-up and look completely disjointed. Maybe a daft comment but are they putting too much pressure on themselves ,over thinking and failing to stick to the game plan?
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Apr 17, 2021 22:29:13 GMT
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Post by redunderthebed on Apr 17, 2021 22:29:13 GMT
I agree but neither were most of the other results where the ref gets blamed. Thaler made at least as many mistakes today than Kendall normally makes and more than were made in the GF and CCF. But hey ho If you're saying Thaler is as bad as Kendal or the guy that reffed the Cup Final have a look at the Wigan semi i don't know how many straws you have but keep clutching; hang on tight We we're hammered today by a bigger more skilful and stronger team End of No idea what straws you think I’m clutching We were also beat in the final by a bigger more skilful and stronger team. End of |
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Post by JJR on Apr 17, 2021 23:17:07 GMT
In the Challenge Cup Final, I think not.
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Post by chang on Apr 18, 2021 0:02:15 GMT
Our biggest loss of the off season is Greg Brown, plain to see. How anyone can have the cheek to blame Escare for tonight is beyond me when Marshall had selected Sarge at fullback for the first 2 games of the season and we had the same result. Our fitness and line speed is pizz poor and needs addressing.
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Apr 18, 2021 0:37:32 GMT
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Post by prestwichred on Apr 18, 2021 0:37:32 GMT
Only one person to blame for this inept performance and that's Marshall. Lord only knows what plays he rehursted in training this week. OK ball in had first. Looked OK for the first 10 minutes was an arm wrestle we were in,then came this need to force the play,the players looked nervous started making stupid mistakes and stopped doing the good things we did at the start. We looked devoid of ideas. In defence we looked so slow off the line and considering this was the one big thing Marshall worked on we left big gaps and at one point even let the ball bounce which nearly cost us a try, infact I'd go as far as to day this looked like a Salford side pre Ian Watson. We looked badly organised which brings me back to Marshall who doesn't even know his best side yet and can't get a tune out of the players he picks. 18 points in 240 minutes of super league has me very worried and I can't help but feel three games in and we're in a relegation fight. On a side note I watched Huddersfields slick attack last night and although they lost you could see progress, I can't take anything out of perpignan. Go and follow Watson to fkin Huddersfield then. |
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Post by bonitared on Apr 18, 2021 7:40:58 GMT
No need for that.
I think the point was well made.
Two coaches with new clubs,so it’s a valid comment.
The big disappointment is the lack of any progress or emerging style of play.
The reason we’re gassed is we are defending all the time,as there’s no cohesion in attack
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Apr 18, 2021 7:56:43 GMT
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Post by Redrum on Apr 18, 2021 7:56:43 GMT
Only one person to blame for this inept performance and that's Marshall. Lord only knows what plays he rehursted in training this week. OK ball in had first. Looked OK for the first 10 minutes was an arm wrestle we were in,then came this need to force the play,the players looked nervous started making stupid mistakes and stopped doing the good things we did at the start. We looked devoid of ideas. In defence we looked so slow off the line and considering this was the one big thing Marshall worked on we left big gaps and at one point even let the ball bounce which nearly cost us a try, infact I'd go as far as to day this looked like a Salford side pre Ian Watson. We looked badly organised which brings me back to Marshall who doesn't even know his best side yet and can't get a tune out of the players he picks. 18 points in 240 minutes of super league has me very worried and I can't help but feel three games in and we're in a relegation fight. On a side note I watched Huddersfields slick attack last night and although they lost you could see progress, I can't take anything out of perpignan. Go and follow Watson to fkin Huddersfield then. Grow up pr. Did you expect me to come on here lauding how fantastic we are? |
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Post by Carnster on Apr 18, 2021 8:38:14 GMT
Marshall has already said that he was at fault for the game. Hats-off to that honesty.
But for me, it isn't solely his fault. He doesn't devise a plan for the players to miss tackles, give penalties away, and make so many bad decisions. It's a team game and the players need to be holding their hands up and admitting their parts in how poor we were. They're happy enough to take the plaudits when deserved it's time for them to admit to their faults and work towards getting better. While I'm bitterly disappointed in our efforts rather than the outcomes, anyone writing anyone else off at this stage is naive. Marshall has took charge of a side that was cobbled together before he took charge. None of the signings are his. Add in the fact that it is mainly a brand new side, with brand new coaches and staff, along with new systems and goals it's not difficult to see why we are not firing at this stage. We've played form teams that are top of the table sides every year. During a pandemic where even the players coming together in pre-season was rationed.
This isn't me making excuses. These are obvious to everyone facts.
We all want instant success, but we have effectively started from scratch in every department. No point in pointing the finger at RM just yet, that's a knee-jerk reaction to your emotional state. No point jumping to the defence of the players when they haven't been good enough.
Hold your nerve guys and girls. Early days.
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Post by reds89 on Apr 18, 2021 9:01:00 GMT
Marshall has already said that he was at fault for the game. Hats-off to that honesty. But for me, it isn't solely his fault. He doesn't devise a plan for the players to miss tackles, give penalties away, and make so many bad decisions. It's a team game and the players need to be holding their hands up and admitting their parts in how poor we were. They're happy enough to take the plaudits when deserved it's time for them to admit to their faults and work towards getting better. While I'm bitterly disappointed in our efforts rather than the outcomes, anyone writing anyone else off at this stage is naive. Marshall has took charge of a side that was cobbled together before he took charge. None of the signings are his. Add in the fact that it is mainly a brand new side, with brand new coaches and staff, along with new systems and goals it's not difficult to see why we are not firing at this stage. We've played form teams that are top of the table sides every year. During a pandemic where even the players coming together in pre-season was rationed. This isn't me making excuses. These are obvious to everyone facts. We all want instant success, but we have effectively started from scratch in every department. No point in pointing the finger at RM just yet, that's a knee-jerk reaction to your emotional state. No point jumping to the defence of the players when they haven't been good enough. Hold your nerve guys and girls. Early days. Exactly this. The players owe Marshall big time for taking the blame publicly. As stated, he doesn't coach them to throw the ball to the touch judge or miss individual tackles. Our game plan was clear from the start, be patient, build pressure and shift right on our plays. It worked well for 15 minutes, forcing repeat sets and putting pressure on their line until we started to get frustrated by their outside backs rushing up and we'd force the pass, resulting in errors. The main problem lay in the lack of resilience to defend a mistake. I think every try Catalans scored came on the back of our errors, penalties conceded or 6 agains. Leigh next week is the big marker. If we can start like we did yesterday, build pressure but be clinical enough in attack to convert this pressure into points, I wouldn't be too worried. Go behind early and it would be interesting to see if we can find the mental resilience to drag ourselves back into the game. |
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Apr 18, 2021 9:33:39 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Apr 18, 2021 9:33:39 GMT
I don't think the coach can be blamed at this stage,if their is blame to be appointed in my opinion it's with the players.It is up to them sort this out, and they should start next week.We are not a top four side,but we are certainly better than our results so far.Kevin Brown he is finished.and that is No disrespect to the boy he as had a good career.its a pitty we couldn't have got another Hastings,
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Post by JJR on Apr 18, 2021 9:43:15 GMT
From the stats
28 missed tackles (Lussick 5). Escare 1 tackle, 2 missed...full back?
15 errors
This is where we start 5 carries and a kick, treasure the ball and tackle. You could bring any half back in but you have to get the tackling and possesssion right first.
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Post by russ on Apr 18, 2021 9:59:57 GMT
I don't think the coach can be blamed at this stage,if their is blame to be appointed in my opinion it's with the players.It is up to them sort this out, and they should start next week.We are not a top four side,but we are certainly better than our results so far.lastly it seems to me we should have replaced Kevin Brown he is finished. The only thing I'd take issue with is the brown comments, playing in a beaten side without confidence would make a teenage player look past his sell by date. |
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Post by dixon13 on Apr 18, 2021 10:09:22 GMT
I don't think the coach can be blamed at this stage,if their is blame to be appointed in my opinion it's with the players.It is up to them sort this out, and they should start next week.We are not a top four side,but we are certainly better than our results so far.lastly it seems to me we should have replaced Kevin Brown he is finished. The only thing I'd take issue with is the brown comments, playing in a beaten side without confidence would make a teenage player look past his sell by date. I have got the fullest admiration for kevin Brown and is career.I don't think it's anything to do with the pack,I think it's age,it comes to us all. |
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Post by prestwichred on Apr 18, 2021 10:12:07 GMT
Go and follow Watson to fkin Huddersfield then. Grow up pr. Did you expect me to come on here lauding how fantastic we are? Apologies for that RR. It was a long day and I was still fuming over the result and the ineptness of the team. Never reply when angry and after drinking is a lesson I will learn one day. |
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