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Post by Carnster on Jan 28, 2020 15:02:38 GMT
Deary me.
The Dragons are the most morally bankrupt side I've ever seen. Tried to tap-up our players last week, and now this. Every away game they visit should be a pride game. Certainly brought the eye of sport firmly on SL and for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 15:24:33 GMT
How does the RFL doesn't have the power to reject a players registration is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 15:33:29 GMT
How does the RFL doesn't have the power to reject a players registration is beyond me. They were afraid of getting sued and losing I believe. It’s not like they are rolling in money to defend themselves. On the other hand though, they previously said they could refuse his registration so make your own mind up whether they bottled it or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 15:43:09 GMT
I'm thinking that Catalans have massively underestimated the reaction to this.
I wonder if Super Billy Williams will find it more morally wrong to take the field to play against him than he does to wear a sponsor's logo?
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Post by JJR on Jan 28, 2020 16:11:38 GMT
Folau has different views than most on this forum, some would say a little extreme. But we live in a democracy and he is allowed to have those views and not committed a crime as far as I'm aware.
We can disagree and yes Catalan, as usual are being as Catalan are, but we have players who've been jailed, supposedly beaten up others, abused, taken drugs, done all sorts of horrendous things but we have forgiven, and some have played here. So he has different views, the RFL might let him play, so who are we to judge he is worse than others.
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Post by hillbillyred on Jan 28, 2020 16:35:57 GMT
As a "God botherer" (cheers MR), can I point out:
"we have players who've been jailed, supposedly beaten up others, abused, taken drugs, done all sorts of horrendous things" but have put their hands up and said sorry: in fact several have gone more than the extra mile to make up.
I am not condemning IF for his views. I hear offensive racist and nationalist comments at many Salford games: ale loosens tongues.
However there is huge difference between having the right to hold strict views and publicly judging people as being different to you. Huge amounts. And MR, there are theological grounds to condemn IF for what he said. Serious objections. In fact he has placed himself in the position of God!
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Post by giasf on Jan 28, 2020 16:41:15 GMT
I personally think the reaction to this has the on the whole been really poor. Ultimately all the bloke has done has spouted some bollocks on Twitter. Frankly everybody has said something stupid at one point in their lives, either intentionally or unintentionally, and in his case he’s only repeating the rubbish that is written in the holy books to which 2bn+ other people claim to subscribe.
The way Wigan have handled this is spot on — demonstrate that most people in the sport don’t subscribe to his viewpoint and that the sport as a whole is generally very welcoming and inclusive.
The real surprise out of this is that the RFL/SL claim they don’t have the ability to block a registration — that’s either a lie or indicative of the total lack of control that they respectively have over the direction of our sport (for the record I don’t think they should block Folau’s registration, but can imagine situations where it might be appropriate — e.g. domestic abuse).
I look forward to him running at Keegan Hirst. Isn’t there a famous story about someone making a daft comment to Ian Roberts back in the day?
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Post by kreuzbergred on Jan 28, 2020 16:42:24 GMT
As a "God botherer" (cheers MR), can I point out: "we have players who've been jailed, supposedly beaten up others, abused, taken drugs, done all sorts of horrendous things" but have put their hands up and said sorry: in fact several have gone more than the extra mile to make up. I am not condemning IF for his views. I hear offensive racist and nationalist comments at many Salford games: ale loosens tongues. However there is huge difference between having the right to hold strict views and publicly judging people as being different to you. Huge amounts. And MR, there are theological grounds to condemn IF for what he said. Serious objections. In fact he has placed himself in the position of God! It Was Myself who Referred to him as a God Botherer, |
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Post by hillbillyred on Jan 28, 2020 16:43:46 GMT
Apologies MR
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 16:47:40 GMT
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Post by redunderthebed on Jan 28, 2020 16:57:48 GMT
Agree with most on here. Completely unacceptable by Catalans. I’m genuinely shocked they have gone there and I can’t believe the RFL and SL haven’t stopped it
It’s not about freedom of speech. Everyone has that and can hold whatever views there want. But there is no freedom of consequences and he has no right to expect that he should be employed as a pro rugby player as a result. He hasn’t just carelessly said something stupid. He has repeatedly restated his views, even blaming the bush fires on gay people! He has raised money as a self styled martyr He’s shown no contrition and hasn’t had a sentence like most disgraced rugby players have. He has no place in our sport in my opinion
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Post by giasf on Jan 28, 2020 17:10:28 GMT
I’m genuinely struggling to understand the logic behind why his registration should be refused. Why should publicly stating a view that is clearly articulated in a religion which is widely accepted (particularly in Britain) prevent him being allowed to apply his trade?
I do agree with what seems to be the consensus view that his comments are distasteful (and I personally do not share his views) but can anyone share a bit more on their thinking as I can’t make the connection beyond people not happening to like what he has said.
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Post by andyjc7 on Jan 28, 2020 17:17:43 GMT
The RFL probably had no choice about it , the NRL have a legal document and agreement in place linked to values , viewpoints etc which is why they could make the call on Ben Barba last year . The RFL don’t do could leave themselves open to legal action
I don’t think anyone agrees with his views and the issue becomes a moral one with Catalans but they’ve taken the view they have , probably along the lines of everyone deserves a second chance , his comments are his own etc
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Post by bigkeev on Jan 28, 2020 17:22:57 GMT
With regards to Folau, I think those of us questioning the morals of Catalan should remember we as a club have fairly recently signed a player who has served time in prison for violent crimes, and another crowd favourite guilty of beating up their pregnant partner.
We drew no moral lines in the sand with any of ours so maybe we need to take a more considered approach when finger pointing elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 17:25:41 GMT
Sorry I was against Johnson signing just think as a sport we are better than this and should setting a better example to younger supporters.
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