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Post by earlybath on Jun 30, 2019 10:25:01 GMT
So Ferres will become available .....................PLEASE NO, NO, NO
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 10:28:37 GMT
See this is where I get confuddled. They had to offload Parcel so they could take RL but then they can sign Martin without making any space. So we could sign a load of Cook Island players and them not count on the quota. They swapped Lolohea for Lui and Parcell for Lunt. So they had one spot after that which they’ve used on this new signing. Is that right? As I understand it that is right (although Parcell and Lui swapped quota spots) but because the other quota spot was freed up by Lolohea (a Tongan) they could only sign someone also covered by Kolpak (e.g. a PNG national like the one they have just signed). |
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Post by chang on Jun 30, 2019 10:52:50 GMT
They swapped Lolohea for Lui and Parcell for Lunt. So they had one spot after that which they’ve used on this new signing. Is that right? No, Lunt is from the UK (well Yorkshire but until I become El Presidente it's in the UK) and they had to swap Parcel for him to make space for RL.
Crazy situation really, if you're not from the UK then really you should count on the overseas quota.
That’s exactly my point. They’ve offloaded 2 overseas and brought in one UK player and One overseas which left them with an overseas spot, which they have used to sign this backrower today. |
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Post by kreuzbergred on Jun 30, 2019 16:40:11 GMT
Rob Lui make his debut today against London as Loose Forward
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 17:00:33 GMT
Rob Lui make his debut today against London as Loose Forward Think that's more to do with how the BBC put the team sheet down than where he actually played.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 17:03:54 GMT
Yeah he played stand off according to the team sheet. Didn't sound like Leeds were too impressive but they got the win. A 4 way tie at the bottom now all on 14 points.
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Post by dentonred on Jun 30, 2019 17:10:44 GMT
Still just 4 points off (5 with our superior points difference), our upcoming home games vs a woefully out of form Huddersfield x2 and Catalans will be crucial. 2 wins from 3 and I firmly beleive we will guarantee safety with some room to spare.
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Post by redunderthebed on Jun 30, 2019 18:08:00 GMT
There’s no such thing as Kolpack any more. There hasn’t been for years. There are limits on the number of non-Federation trainer players. That’s it. Look back through previous years on here we’ve had the discussion a few times 😂
The off-loading Parcell was so they could bring in Hastings/Lui without losing anyone. But they swapped Lolohea as well as Parcell so were left with an empty non-fed spot free which they have now filled
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 18:21:09 GMT
There’s no such thing as Kolpack any more. There hasn’t been for years. There are limits on the number of non-Federation trainer players. That’s it. Look back through previous years on here we’ve had the discussion a few times 😂 The off-loading Parcell was so they could bring in Hastings/Lui without losing anyone. But they swapped Lolohea as well as Parcell so were left with an empty non-fed spot free which they have now filled Right thanks - without wading through the RFL operational rules it was hard to get a clear answer. So do the likes of PNG, Fiji and Cook Island passport holders count on the non-fed quota? Or are they exempt? Because Kolpak caselaw still applies (while we are in the EU) so they will need to deal with it somehow in the rules. Sorry for boring anyone with no interest in immigration nonsense! |
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Post by redunderthebed on Jun 30, 2019 21:55:53 GMT
I think they deal with it by making it about where a player plays their junior/academy/debut rugby - if it’s in an area covered by SL/RFL then they don’t count as ‘overseas’ (non-fed). That used to mean Europe but I assume it could also mean North America now. If they came through the ranks anywhere else then they are non-fed regardless of where they were born
Something like that. Not sure of technicalities but I do know there is just one categorisation now
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 4:50:54 GMT
I think they deal with it by making it about where a player plays their junior/academy/debut rugby - if it’s in an area covered by SL/RFL then they don’t count as ‘overseas’ (non-fed). That used to mean Europe but I assume it could also mean North America now. If they came through the ranks anywhere else then they are non-fed regardless of where they were born Something like that. Not sure of technicalities but I do know there is just one categorisation now Cheers. I’ll try and read the rules at some point! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 11:05:59 GMT
According to the RFL operation rules (https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/2019-operational-rules-tiers-1-3/mobile/index.html#p=107) anyone with a passport/citizenship for a country with an association agreement with the EU should be exempt from the quota. That would include Tonga, Fiji, Cook Islands, Turkey, etc.
Right I’ll bore off now.
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Post by hillbillyred on Jul 1, 2019 11:29:11 GMT
not boring: Leeds rushing to beat Brexit!
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Post by redunderthebed on Jul 1, 2019 13:59:02 GMT
According to the RFL operation rules (https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/2019-operational-rules-tiers-1-3/mobile/index.html#p=107) anyone with a passport/citizenship for a country with an association agreement with the EU should be exempt from the quota. That would include Tonga, Fiji, Cook Islands, Turkey, etc. Right I’ll bore off now. Maybe I’m just wrong then! But I thought they’d moved away from just using overseas players because you end up with a team made up entirely of islanders who didn’t count so they used the 5 non-fed trained players instead I thought they had to bring it in to stay on the right side of the ‘association of the EU’ rule. Wouldn’t be first time I’ve been convinced of something only to end up being completely wrong 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 14:18:19 GMT
According to the RFL operation rules (https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/2019-operational-rules-tiers-1-3/mobile/index.html#p=107) anyone with a passport/citizenship for a country with an association agreement with the EU should be exempt from the quota. That would include Tonga, Fiji, Cook Islands, Turkey, etc. Right I’ll bore off now. Maybe I’m just wrong then! But I thought they’d moved away from just using overseas players because you end up with a team made up entirely of islanders who didn’t count so they used the 5 non-fed trained players instead I thought they had to bring it in to stay on the right side of the ‘association of the EU’ rule. Wouldn’t be first time I’ve been convinced of something only to end up being completely wrong 😂 I think you were right all along and this is where this section comes in: www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/2019-operational-rules-tiers-1-3/mobile/index.html#p=44. I didn’t explain it all that well before- you are allowed 5 overseas players and 7 non-fed players. So your Tongan chap doesn’t count on the ‘overseas quota’ but likely counts as ‘non-federation trained’. So you can mix and match between your Aus/NZ and the rest. This is why Leeds couldn’t sign Hastings (Aus) when they released Lolohea (Tongan) but could sign the lad from PNG. |
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