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Post by dixon13 on Jul 22, 2017 15:32:57 GMT
Maybe I am looking for an argument! People like Dixon drove me back to what I know and away from a sport I enjoyed. I am simply saying that he did me a favour in that he prevented me spending money on a team who just lost to the worst team in the league. Don't forget your Sheepskin Coat. I don't think you are cut out for the proper code you will do well with the kick and clap. |
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Post by dixon13 on Jul 22, 2017 15:35:07 GMT
Fans are not being fair with Welham. Its quite clear the `tactic` is for Welham to take first drive even from a penalty but he still has better attacking `hands` than Junior Sa`u who for me would be left out for Jones next week if all personnel fit. As said previously `The Beast has to be fed` and Welham probably the only centre willing to do so. Oh - and for me - Dizzy Murray a better proposition than Griffin who doesnt look 75% fit currently. Welham couldn't feed him self. |
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Post by Carnster on Jul 22, 2017 15:36:33 GMT
I had a look at the stats to see if the Welham/Sau thing had merit...
Try Assists: Sau 8 Welham 5
Missed Tackles: Sau 29 Welham 60 (Worse at the club)
Tries: Sau 9 Welham 9
Tackle busts: Sau 43 Welham 48
Errors: Sau 15 Welham 23
Total metres: Sau 2011 Welham 2551 (Highest at the club)
So it's not true that Welham has better hands than Sau as the assists show. Sau also hasn't missed that many tackles in comparison to Welham who really needs to sort it out. Sau makes fewer errors, although interestingly, Welham busts the tackles more and makes more metres.
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Post by JJR on Jul 22, 2017 15:53:10 GMT
Welham has been good infill this year but him and the rest of the back line are poor defensively. As you've shown he misses lots of tackles. From the present squad, I'd like to see Bibby given a go in there. He makes lots of metres tackles well and backs up well. But it's an area in which we have been poor over a few years, Hull found this out with Griffin.
If Lui isn't fit for the semi we'll really miss his covering tackles. Funnily enough after the display last night and the continual negative comments of our leader I'm sadly not looking forward to the semi. Think we'll be lucky to keep them within thirty points.
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Post by earlybath on Jul 22, 2017 16:32:29 GMT
I had a look at the stats to see if the Welham/Sau thing had merit... Try Assists: Sau 8 Welham 5 Missed Tackles: Sau 29 Welham 60 (Worse at the club) Tries: Sau 9 Welham 9 Tackle busts: Sau 43 Welham 48 Errors: Sau 15 Welham 23 Total metres: Sau 2011 Welham 2551 (Highest at the club) So it's not true that Welham has better hands than Sau as the assists show. Sau also hasn't missed that many tackles in comparison to Welham who really needs to sort it out. Sau makes fewer errors, although interestingly, Welham busts the tackles more and makes more metres. You dont need to see stats to understand Junior fails to give his winger timely ball. I`m not saying Welham is the answer but the KEY thing will be to feed the Beast |
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Post by gadger on Jul 22, 2017 17:41:24 GMT
Bibby is a good shout for next week, I like jones and he is solid defensively but going forward he is slower than me. Second rower all day long, bibby looks decent in defence and better going forward
Am not bagging welham at all I think he has done well this season, he along with many are having a dip and we need to look at alternatives
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Post by Carnster on Jul 22, 2017 17:46:17 GMT
I had a look at the stats to see if the Welham/Sau thing had merit... Try Assists: Sau 8 Welham 5 Missed Tackles: Sau 29 Welham 60 (Worse at the club) Tries: Sau 9 Welham 9 Tackle busts: Sau 43 Welham 48 Errors: Sau 15 Welham 23 Total metres: Sau 2011 Welham 2551 (Highest at the club) So it's not true that Welham has better hands than Sau as the assists show. Sau also hasn't missed that many tackles in comparison to Welham who really needs to sort it out. Sau makes fewer errors, although interestingly, Welham busts the tackles more and makes more metres. You dont need to see stats to understand Junior fails to give his winger timely ball. I`m not saying Welham is the answer but the KEY thing will be to feed the Beast But the stats say that he does. More than Welham. ? |
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Post by Carnster on Jul 22, 2017 17:52:59 GMT
I had a look at the stats to see if the Welham/Sau thing had merit... Try Assists: Sau 8 Welham 5 Missed Tackles: Sau 29 Welham 60 (Worse at the club) Tries: Sau 9 Welham 9 Tackle busts: Sau 43 Welham 48 Errors: Sau 15 Welham 23 Total metres: Sau 2011 Welham 2551 (Highest at the club) So it's not true that Welham has better hands than Sau as the assists show. Sau also hasn't missed that many tackles in comparison to Welham who really needs to sort it out. Sau makes fewer errors, although interestingly, Welham busts the tackles more and makes more metres. You dont need to see stats to understand Junior fails to give his winger timely ball. I`m not saying Welham is the answer but the KEY thing will be to feed the Beast Joel Moon. Try assists: 7 Webster: 7 Watkins: 7 Cudjoe:7 There's only Shenton with anything like big numbers at 17. Sau is feeding his winger for tries. He's in the top five in SL for doing so. |
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Post by earlybath on Jul 22, 2017 18:08:03 GMT
Well the stats or my eyes are lying. We will see then as and when he parts to the Beast.
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Post by dixon13 on Jul 22, 2017 18:16:26 GMT
After watching the game last night, I bet the Beast was thinking I should of asked for a 10 year contract because I will never get a pass.
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Post by dixon13 on Jul 22, 2017 18:18:20 GMT
You dont need to see stats to understand Junior fails to give his winger timely ball. I`m not saying Welham is the answer but the KEY thing will be to feed the Beast Joel Moon. Try assists: 7 Webster: 7 Watkins: 7 Cudjoe:7 There's only Shenton with anything like big numbers at 17. Sau is feeding his winger for tries. He's in the top five in SL for doing so. But Shenton has been a class centre. |
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Post by Red Army on Jul 22, 2017 18:33:51 GMT
Sau is one of the best centres in SL. Welham is not, Welham is great cover but his defence is dreadful
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Post by tony13 on Jul 22, 2017 18:35:33 GMT
Joel Moon. Try assists: 7 Webster: 7 Watkins: 7 Cudjoe:7 There's only Shenton with anything like big numbers at 17. Sau is feeding his winger for tries. He's in the top five in SL for doing so. But Shenton has been a class centre. He has indeed. Real international class. But it's not as simple as "X is a good centre". Shenton was distinctly average during his spell at Saints. This was probably down to Saints not utilising him properly, whereas Cas are a brilliant fit for him. It takes two to tango, as they say. A good centre in a team that plays a style that suits him will look brilliant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 19:32:27 GMT
I've avoided posting this earlier today as it wouldn't have subjective.
Admittedly I only listened to it last night but even if GMR (or whatever it's bloody called now) were right and we were half as bed as they made out we were dire, they sounded like we had no enthusiasm, no desire and worryingly no plan B.
All season we have used the same plays utilising the same players, the play has been sussed after Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles pointed it out and the same players have been flogged like a Tory MP in a fetish club. For me the buck stops entirely at Watson's door for this, he doesn't look like he has even tried to try different plays and has been extremely reluctant to rest players. I'm not calling for his head but I'll tell you what if we get battered next weekend and struggle in the 8's then I'll be the first one to chant Watson out!
I think the key here is we have missed Carney, everyone lauded our pack but Carney was the platform for our go forward not the front row, since he got banned and subsequently released we have looked a shadow of our former self (OK I know a couple of games we hit our straps but if you look closely I think you'll see we have missed him more than has been acknowledged) If the beast stays fit he will be a good replacement but I doubt it, if only Sheffield had a player who would be a cheaper like for like replacement and a forum posted pointed it out eh.
Carney (S) is the only player at the club with a kicking game, Lui kicks like Douglas Bader and Dobson has the unerring knack of finding the winger/full back not the green stuff and we haven't made more than 5 yards all season from a touch finder (that is if it has made touch), you can't win tight games against good teams without a decent kicker.
GOB or Evalds, Watson needs to make a decision and stick with it, it seems that is the only regular change he has made for the last 6 or so games, I'd go with (and stick with) Evalds who long term is going to be a class FB, GOB should be a bench utility who can play in all the pivot positions.
We are Salford circa 2006, we started off like a house on fire and have limped home on the back of that, OK maybe not as pronounced but never the less the comparison for me is apt. The annoying thing is we have been on the crest of a wave and have started to bring fans back, get mullered week in week out as I suspect we will until the end of the season and they disappear again and Dr Baby gets ammunition to take his ball in and move us out of the city.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 19:59:05 GMT
Our biggest mistake last night was the club building it up in to some sort of cup final. It only served to whip everyone into a frenzy and we then saw the inevitable meltdowns when we put in a poor performance. As already stated in this thread the players have been at full pelt all season with little if any squad rotation. Last night was the time to do it. Dobson, Welham, BMM and Johnson at the minimum should have been given the night off. Not only would it have taken the pressure off but we would've had around half the team freshened up for next week when you take into account the 2 new signings and hopefully a couple returning from injuries.
Low expectations for next week now though which will hopefully work in our favour.
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