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Post by earlybath on Jul 31, 2017 18:09:35 GMT
OK Having watched on the wireless please enlighten me where we differ on my comments.
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Post by Carnster on Jul 31, 2017 20:51:49 GMT
OK Having watched on the wireless please enlighten me where we differ on my comments. I thought your comments were fair. Evalds was great as a defensive FB. He didn't have any impact in attack. Whether that was down to how we played, him, or a combination of the two. Who knows? For what it's worth I believe that a FB should be all about the attack. The days of having a FB to shore-up leaky defenses are gone in my opinion. Defenses and attacks are too good these days for the reliance on a defensive FB. On occasion they are worth their weight in gold, but I'd personally rather have a FB that is deadly in attack than a stalwart at the back. It's the way the game has developed. If you can get both then fair enough, but given a choice I'd choose an extra dynamic FB over a solid defensive FB. Childs officiated quite well. Logan was decent in comparison to his brothers. Not sure what was so controversial with your assessment earlybath. I agree with it... |
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Post by earlybath on Jul 31, 2017 21:37:26 GMT
Thanks Carnstar - Appreciated - I just felt Mr Dixon seems to have a blind spot when considering Mr Evalds especially.
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Post by bonitared on Jul 31, 2017 21:42:04 GMT
One thing which still bugs me is why on earth did we not go for goal with 5 minutes left against 12 men? I agree entirely. Must have been difficult to have a cool head but,with 5 rather than 7 points difference,and the ball back, the momentum would've been with us |
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Post by JJR on Jul 31, 2017 21:50:43 GMT
The point about the potential penalty try was that the nearest person to McCarthy, Tomkins decided in my view he was about to score and impeded him. Only a view, but that is why I think they should have considered it longer as a penalty try. Nobody with certainty can ever say whether he would or not as he wan't allowed to.
As for O'Brien attacking; when he gets the ball at the back he passes to a winger; when he comes into the line, Lui, who, of course wan't playing, sets him up. He also sets Evalds up. If my memory serves me right, when Evalds was the player of the season he was set up in different ways and, in a weaker team, scored tries through the middle.
My point is that both are attacking players but they both have to be set up. I think the difference in the past 6 weeks is that other teams now snuff out our famous slide move, as did Wigan, so t is harder for either to score.
Evalds does have the edge in defence and stopped at least2, maybe 3 tries. Yesterday I would have put O'Brien on as hooker as soon as Tomkins got sin binned. Then everyone would have at least been happy! 😉👹
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Post by gadger on Aug 1, 2017 1:50:31 GMT
One thing which still bugs me is why on earth did we not go for goal with 5 minutes left against 12 men? Â I agree entirely. Must have been difficult to have a cool head but,with 5 rather than 7 points difference,and the ball back, the momentum would've been with us Yes I was saying this at the time, also would have changed the way Wigan played those last 10 mins put them under pressure. Not that I knew they were down to 12 at that point, didn't even see their 2nd sin bin only found out about that this morning! |
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Post by Astleyred on Aug 1, 2017 5:38:20 GMT
Watching the game back we really took Wigan to the sword, going in at HT 14-12 I thought we would come out and take the upper hand but Wigan are Wigan and are very good at doing what they do.
I know it's hindsight and kinda frustrating (and I know we've been fortunate all season with injuries) but if we'd had a full strength team like Wigan put out (Brinning, Mossop, Lui, Flash, fully fit Koppy) we would've done them on Sunday.
Hopefully we get a decent crowd against Cas as there's still everything to play for, the boys need to pick themselves up from the disappointment and not dwell on things, sneak 4 games and we're in a semi again!
Come on reds #believe
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 1, 2017 10:38:57 GMT
The point about the potential penalty try was that the nearest person to McCarthy, Tomkins decided in my view he was about to score and impeded him. Only a view, but that is why I think they should have considered it longer as a penalty try. Nobody with certainty can ever say whether he would or not as he wan't allowed to. As for O'Brien attacking; when he gets the ball at the back he passes to a winger; when he comes into the line, Lui, who, of course wan't playing, sets him up. He also sets Evalds up. If my memory serves me right, when Evalds was the player of the season he was set up in different ways and, in a weaker team, scored tries through the middle. My point is that both are attacking players but they both have to be set up. I think the difference in the past 6 weeks is that other teams now snuff out our famous slide move, as did Wigan, so t is harder for either to score. Evalds does have the edge in defence and stopped at least2, maybe 3 tries. Yesterday I would have put O'Brien on as hooker as soon as Tomkins got sin binned. Then everyone would have at least been happy! 😉👹 You don't run a team trying to keep people happy it doesn't work so Fergie always Said. |
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Post by JJR on Aug 1, 2017 10:39:13 GMT
Powell banned for 1 match! Did Chase get 8? But then again Brough got none when he did Caron- Brown, so I suppose Powell hard done by!
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Post by tony13 on Aug 1, 2017 12:20:26 GMT
The point about the potential penalty try was that the nearest person to McCarthy, Tomkins decided in my view he was about to score and impeded him. Only a view, but that is why I think they should have considered it longer as a penalty try. Nobody with certainty can ever say whether he would or not as he wan't allowed to. (trimmed) I don't think Tomkins believed that McCarthy was certain to score. IMO, what Tomkins did was first go for the ball himself, then realise he wouldn't make it, then decide to make bloody sure McCarthy wasn't going to make it. It's one of those little things that Wigan (and others) do all the time to turn 99% sure into 100% sure. That's why they win. We're not as clinical (cynical) yet. Incidentally, I believe the Laws of the game state that, in order to award a penalty try, the referee must be certain that a try would be scored. 'Certain' is an impossibility and that is why penalty tries are like hen's teeth. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 19:05:01 GMT
Incidentally, I believe the Laws of the game state that, in order to award a penalty try, the referee must be certain that a try would be scored. 'Certain' is an impossibility and that is why penalty tries are like hen's teeth.
You got it in one!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 10:56:56 GMT
After the dust has settled (and the hangover!) What a day all round, just missed the right result.
Never seen anything like it in 20 years, the atmosphere in the Kings Head and the ground will be something that will stick with me forever.
The players, the fans, the whole city did itself proud on Sunday and shown Wigan and their pitiful bunch in the South Stand how to really get behind your team.
Well done Solly, you did us all proud roll on the 8's.
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