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Leigh
Jul 19, 2023 14:37:48 GMT
Post by JJR on Jul 19, 2023 14:37:48 GMT
Russ Iād upgrade to a colour TV š
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Leigh
Jul 19, 2023 15:37:53 GMT
Post by russ on Jul 19, 2023 15:37:53 GMT
Russ Iād upgrade to a colour TV š It won't improve ref's decision making and all the tech in the universe wouldn't ressurect kick & clap! If ever there was a sport with a compulsory do not rescusitate label. |
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Leigh
Jul 19, 2023 18:45:33 GMT
Post by Red Dave on Jul 19, 2023 18:45:33 GMT
Iāve just watched the Super League Show. I didnāt realise at the time but when Ben Thaler penalises us for dissent at the end of the game he moves ten metres down the field to give Leigh a shot at goal - but he wasnāt at the point on the pitch where the first offence was committed- so he actually gave Leigh their second penalty some twenty metres from where the first offence took place, making the kick much easier.
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Post by kilop on Jul 19, 2023 19:04:01 GMT
Iāve just watched the Super League Show. I didnāt realise at the time but when Ben Thaler penalises us for dissent at the end of the game he moves ten metres down the field to give Leigh a shot at goal - but he wasnāt at the point on the pitch where the first offence was committed- so he actually gave Leigh their second penalty some twenty metres from where the first offence took place, making the kick much easier.Ā Let it go Dave, look forward to Catalan now š intrigued to see how we go as definitely a marked improvement last 2 games. But need to keep working. Looking forward to the challenge of seeing if we can make top 6 now, we've gotta stop this slump tho. |
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Leigh
Jul 20, 2023 0:49:21 GMT
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Post by redunderthebed on Jul 20, 2023 0:49:21 GMT
Iāve just watched the Super League Show. I didnāt realise at the time but when Ben Thaler penalises us for dissent at the end of the game he moves ten metres down the field to give Leigh a shot at goal - but he wasnāt at the point on the pitch where the first offence was committed- so he actually gave Leigh their second penalty some twenty metres from where the first offence took place, making the kick much easier.Ā It was a penalty for off side so the pen is given where the defensive line was. Thatās where Thaler gave it from. Then the 10m for the dissent |
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Leigh
Jul 20, 2023 8:19:27 GMT
Post by mauricethered on Jul 20, 2023 8:19:27 GMT
Thaler is bent and I do not blame the players for reacting when he screwed us on the big decisions. Still the morons at Leigh still throw objects despite them getting all the calls.
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Post by pjc on Jul 20, 2023 11:44:35 GMT
I donāt think Thaler is bent - however he didnāt have a good game. I usually think he is the best of the bunch!
Leighās try in the corner looked very dubious to say the least & their last try was forward pass by Lam, why the linesman didnāt see it - he passed the ball before the line & it bounced well in front of the line, unfortunately Sneyd/Brierley acted like dumb & dumber & gave Hardaker the try! ( he should have had 10 mins in bin for pulling back Budgie).
Poor discipline cost us the game, Ref certainly didnāt help - 2 home games we should have won. Yes I wish we had video ref at every game & captains call.
The players at the end looked devastated- especially Brodie (wonder if he will look at the release clause in his contract?) The team donāt seem the same after the interest in Tyler - he certainly doesnāt seem the same player who was tearing teams apart.
Winning is a habit, we seem to be in the losing habit at the moment!
Hopefully PR can turn it around!
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Post by kilop on Jul 20, 2023 12:05:40 GMT
Does surprise me the amount of people that blame the ref after every match we lose.
Seems to be getting worse as well.
The players lost that match not the referee and I'm sure Rowley will be working with them this week to correct the areas where we missed tackles and pulled some dumb plays. He won't be sat there going, " don't worry lads, it was the refs fault we lost".
They will take ownership of the loss as a lot of our fans need to as well
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Leigh
Jul 20, 2023 12:53:10 GMT
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Post by earlybath on Jul 20, 2023 12:53:10 GMT
Thaler is bent and I do not blame the players for reacting when he screwed us on the big decisions. Still the morons at Leigh still throw objects despite them getting all the calls. Dearie me Maurice you do talk some tripe sometimes. He is - by far - the best in Super League. Never forget his fairly innocuous penalty for John Wilshere to convert v London at Blackpool to secure our Super League status. |
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Leigh
Jul 20, 2023 15:21:16 GMT
Post by russ on Jul 20, 2023 15:21:16 GMT
No, refs are not bent and there is no evidence to suggest they are.
This does not mean that their decisions can't be suspect nor that there are obvious reasons why this is the case.
However, I think the nature of the rules and their application determine the result more often than not.
Thaler doesn't tend to be a ref that makes eyes go upwards when informed he's officiating us.
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Leigh
Jul 20, 2023 21:50:58 GMT
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Post by kilop on Jul 20, 2023 21:50:58 GMT
No, refs are not bent and there is no evidence to suggest they are. This does not mean that their decisions can't be suspect nor that there are obvious reasons why this is the case. However, I think the nature of the rules and their application determine the result more often than not. Thaler doesn't tend to be a ref that makes eyes go upwards when informed he's officiating us. I think completion rates, missed tackles and kicking games over a full 80 minutes determine who win a match. Not a single (or couple) of key incidents which people subjectively view as being wrong. That would be misguided and promotes the incorrect view of a ref being "bent" |
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Leigh
Jul 21, 2023 13:08:20 GMT
Post by russ on Jul 21, 2023 13:08:20 GMT
No, refs are not bent and there is no evidence to suggest they are. This does not mean that their decisions can't be suspect nor that there are obvious reasons why this is the case. However, I think the nature of the rules and their application determine the result more often than not. Thaler doesn't tend to be a ref that makes eyes go upwards when informed he's officiating us. I think completion rates, missed tackles and kicking games over a full 80 minutes determine who win a match. Not a single (or couple) of key incidents which people subjectively view as being wrong. That would be misguided and promotes the incorrect view of a ref being "bent" I didn't say that they were the only factors but also didn't refer to the other things to illustrate the point and emphasise it's importance.
I don't agree that it leads to the ref being or even seeming bent when it was clearly stated that wasn't the case.
If I'd been of that kind of fan I could easily have pointed out that once again Journos had tried to get Rowles to say something controversial and he had not been led astray. However, he did point to an inconsistency in approach. That would 've led me to make conclusions about the penalty count a week later.
RL is agame where both players and coaches have a tendency to push the rules as far as they can, infringements are all too easy to get wrong, but if the rules were applied without inconsistency our game wouldn't have one sided penalty counts. There should never be a big difference in the number of penalties between a winning and losing side, because of the way the game is play-off between the times you have the ball and the times you don't. One of the posters on here pointed out that Thaler chose not to penalise Leighs' infringements and a one sided count would suggest that was true.
That doesn't mean he's bent just that the application of the rules make a difference.
This kind of difference can lead to sides becoming frustrated with refs which is when you're penalised yet again and that resulted in a Leigh win whether you agree with this or not.
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Leigh
Jul 21, 2023 15:43:55 GMT
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Post by kilop on Jul 21, 2023 15:43:55 GMT
I don't agree with the statement that penalty counts should be even regardless of the result.Ball retention and completion rates make teams defend more , which inturn increases fatigue and sees an increase in misdemeanors as concentration levels drop off.I do however agree about players pushing boundaries for benefit during a match.I get very frustrated with the amount of play acting that has creeped in and the constant hands in the air protestation.Very poor and puts out game in a bad light.
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Leigh
Jul 21, 2023 16:55:22 GMT
Post by russ on Jul 21, 2023 16:55:22 GMT
I don't agree with the statement that penalty counts should be even regardless of the result.Ball retention and completion rates make teams defend more , which inturn increases fatigue and sees an increase in misdemeanors as concentration levels drop off.I do however agree about players pushing boundaries for benefit during a match.I get very frustrated with the amount of play acting that has creeped in and the constant hands in the air protestation.Very poor and puts out game in a bad light. What I said was that given the give and take nature of the sport there shouldn't be huge differences in the number of penalties and very often they are, that's far from saying no difference at all.
That fatigue and concentration drop off is directly attributable to the number of penalties especially since the introduction of six again they are not mutually exclusive parts of the game.
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Leigh
Jul 21, 2023 20:46:19 GMT
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Post by kilop on Jul 21, 2023 20:46:19 GMT
I don't agree with the statement that penalty counts should be even regardless of the result.Ball retention and completion rates make teams defend more , which inturn increases fatigue and sees an increase in misdemeanors as concentration levels drop off.I do however agree about players pushing boundaries for benefit during a match.I get very frustrated with the amount of play acting that has creeped in and the constant hands in the air protestation.Very poor and puts out game in a bad light. What I said was that given the give and take nature of the sport there shouldn't be huge differences in the number of penalties and very often they are, that's far from saying no difference at all.
That fatigue and concentration drop off is directly attributable to the number of penalties especially since the introduction of six again they are not mutually exclusive parts of the game.
I always slightly struggle with the points your putting across Russ tbh. Not a slight, I think we just have different writing styles. But i think from what you put we are pretty much saying the same thing then? |
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