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Post by mauricethered on Mar 2, 2023 21:52:41 GMT
I am well pissed off, Smith is a bent bastard - Williams shoulder charge nothing, Brierley a sin bin. Two penalty tries he is an absolute prick.
Wire are average, we've blown up on the back of No 2nd half ball and errors.
BTW Brierley needs dropping for a game he cannot defend kicks, Burgess got him out of jail twice then a couple of miss tackles. The club need another option at full back, if Sarge cannot play for whatever reason get someone else in don't care who it is. We need options at full back.
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Post by stuckinyorkshire on Mar 2, 2023 21:55:06 GMT
Going to be a lot of 8 point trys this year 😕 I know..I've never see it. Both of those are very common occurrences.with tries. Defenders chasing back always slide when they can't make it, it's like they collapse in disappointment 😂 and Dufty has dived low to score and Watkins is trying to prevent a try. It'll be interesting to see if this keeps up. It will if it's against us 🤣🤣 |
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Post by mauricethered on Mar 2, 2023 22:04:23 GMT
I'm not going to comment any further think I'm more disgusted than after the Saints semi - lets give Smith a welcome next time he comes to Salford the clown.
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Post by BDD on Mar 2, 2023 22:08:11 GMT
I am well pissed off, Smith is a bent bastard - Williams shoulder charge nothing, Brierley a sin bin. Two penalty tries he is an absolute prick. Wire are average, we've blown up on the back of No 2nd half ball and errors. BTW Brierley needs dropping for a game he cannot defend kicks, Burgess got him out of jail twice then a couple of miss tackles. The club need another option at full back, if Sarge cannot play for whatever reason get someone else in don't care who it is. We need options at full back. We got a penalty for the shoulder charge, there was nothing aggressive in it to warrant more imo. Brierley, I think, knew what he was doing, I think enough players were back though for it not to be classed as a professional foul, though I suspect when he was speaking with Watkins that he was explaining it was a culmination of penalty after penalty after penalty, most of which were ruck infringements. I'm far more disappointed with the team than the ref. We had a 40 minute game to play with a 14 point lead and blew it. Our completion was 94% in the first half and we cut out the errors after the first 15 minutes. That allowed us to show what we can do. In the second half we imploded. So many penalties and we compounded this by not respecting the ball. Burgess throwing a pass to Wright (I think) after we'd defended for ages. It was both forward and knocked on. No need at that point. We can't drop Brierley with Sarge plus he's a favourite of Rowley. He has his strengths for sure but for me two things need huge improvement. His positioning for short kicks is one - look at the first try, if he was a metre further across, moren in-line with Williams then he beats Currie easily. He also had a brain fsrt early when Warrington knocked a kick back in play but Burgess was there, luckily. The second things is under the high ball when there is pressure around. He'd (and others, Cross, Sio were also guilty today) be far better off letting the opposition catch the ball when it's on the 15/20m because I don't think the odds of him coming up with it in traffic are great. |
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Post by worsleyreddevil on Mar 2, 2023 22:21:06 GMT
I am well pissed off, Smith is a bent bastard - Williams shoulder charge nothing, Brierley a sin bin. Two penalty tries he is an absolute prick. Wire are average, we've blown up on the back of No 2nd half ball and errors. BTW Brierley needs dropping for a game he cannot defend kicks, Burgess got him out of jail twice then a couple of miss tackles. The club need another option at full back, if Sarge cannot play for whatever reason get someone else in don't care who it is. We need options at full back. We got a penalty for the shoulder charge, there was nothing aggressive in it to warrant more imo. Brierley, I think, knew what he was doing, I think enough players were back though for it not to be classed as a professional foul, though I suspect when he was speaking with Watkins that he was explaining it was a culmination of penalty after penalty after penalty, most of which were ruck infringements. I'm far more disappointed with the team than the ref. We had a 40 minute game to play with a 14 point lead and blew it. Our completion was 94% in the first half and we cut out the errors after the first 15 minutes. That allowed us to show what we can do. In the second half we imploded. So many penalties and we compounded this by not respecting the ball. Burgess throwing a pass to Wright (I think) after we'd defended for ages. It was both forward and knocked on. No need at that point. We can't drop Brierley with Sarge plus he's a favourite of Rowley. He has his strengths for sure but for me two things need huge improvement. His positioning for short kicks is one - look at the first try, if he was a metre further across, moren in-line with Williams then he beats Currie easily. He also had a brain fsrt early when Warrington knocked a kick back in play but Burgess was there, luckily. The second things is under the high ball when there is pressure around. He'd (and others, Cross, Sio were also guilty today) be far better off letting the opposition catch the ball when it's on the 15/20m because I don't think the odds of him coming up with it in traffic are great. We had no ball 2nd half due to Smith and his whistle was the killer never mind Wrights knock on. Cross was garbage in defence today especially under the high ball, but as you identify Brierley is unable to defend at fullback when we have short kicks and or he is near the line. He caught a Currie knock down more out of luck than anything else. |
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Post by BDD on Mar 2, 2023 22:28:57 GMT
The ref didn't miss tackles, get beat on the outside, fail to collect kicks, knock on, drop the ball etc. I can't argue with the large majority of the infringement decisions.
The two 8-point tries I have an issue with... if they are 8-point tries (strictly they are) then they'll be happening every TV game.
Btw I wasn't having a go at Wright dropping the ball. It's a ball Burgess should not be throwing at that stage of the game. We were still in it with a little composure and ball. I don't understand how we go from that first-half (post 10/15 mins) to that second half.
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Post by dentonred on Mar 2, 2023 22:35:45 GMT
Cross is being targeted by halves in every match as his defence is very suspect, especially under the high ball. Would 100% play Watkins at centre against Hull and play Wright,Stone and Longstaff as 2nd row options.
Given Sarges issues we have no other genuine full back options right bow so Brierley needs to be given time.
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Post by BDD on Mar 2, 2023 22:47:02 GMT
Cross is being targeted by halves in every match as his defence is very suspect, especially under the high ball. Would 100% play Watkins at centre against Hull and play Wright,Stone and Longstaff as 2nd row options. Given Sarges issues we have no other genuine full back options right bow so Brierley needs to be given time. I don't know whether Cross and Sio make poor reads over and over or whether it's also down to the defence Rowley wants to implement. Sky brought up a graphic that showed Cross or Sio were responsible for almost half of the tries we conceded last year. The defence didn't change it's patterns last year or this, so, is it the players or are they coached to do that. I'd assume coached to be that aggressive and some bad reads are mixed in. I think it's smart to drop kicks on the C or SR as they don't practice like the wingers do. We didn't deal with kicks well as a team today or last week. The biggest issue though, for me, is our own ill-discipline and mistakes in possession. Tidy those up and we can control field position and not put the opposition in constant attacking positions. We were 20-6 up, that could have been 40-12 if we didn't implode - something we did last week. We've seen some good signs this season..if we start putting 80 minutes together I'm confident we can be up there in points scoring like last year. |
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Post by mauricethered on Mar 2, 2023 22:54:05 GMT
I am 45, have watched Salford for 35 plus years and do not remember a game with a Sin Binning and 2 x Penalty Tries. Look at the Cas Penalty try from the weekend, Welsby's tackle had a material impact on the outcome - it was a penalty try.
Now the bullshit we had from Smith and Moore tonight I have not seen in a game twice - corrupt bastards.
No wonder Rowley is now having a go at the players what an utterly corrupt sport. That Ref performance was on par with the Knowles appeal last year, its embarrassing. I'm pissed off because I pay to watch my team get a fair crack or a level playing field - tonight it did not happen.
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Post by JJR on Mar 2, 2023 22:55:19 GMT
Smith out if his depth from the first minute…missing on obstruction on Ackers on the first run. Restart the way Smith passes the advantage….don’t think we got one from Warrington lying on.
Smith penalised us out of it in the 2nd half..awful. At last Rowley talking about penalties, restarts, sin binning etc in 2nd half..really was a disgrace
Totally out of his depth, as usual…just not up to it. Homer, as at Leigh.
Williams MoM, disgrace
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Post by clinchthepinch on Mar 2, 2023 22:59:48 GMT
interesting comments from other fans
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Post by BDD on Mar 2, 2023 23:15:13 GMT
I am 45, have watched Salford for 35 plus years and do not remember a game with a Sin Binning and 2 x Penalty Tries. Look at the Cas Penalty try from the weekend, Welsby's tackle had a material impact on the outcome - it was a penalty try. Now the bullshit we had from Smith and Moore tonight I have not seen in a game twice - corrupt bastards. No wonder Rowley is now having a go at the players what an utterly corrupt sport. That Ref performance was on par with the Knowles appeal last year, its embarrassing. I'm pissed off because I pay to watch my team get a fair crack or a level playing field - tonight it did not happen. Welsby was a penalty try, not an 8 point try. That said, Salford need to be asking questions regarding those 8 point tries. Yes, Watkins clipped his chin but he was low and going down to score a try, what else can he do? It isn't an 8 point try for me. If that is the bar then there SHOULD be a lot of them this season. Still, we can't blame the ref for our second half performances the past two weeks. We were absolutely awful. |
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Post by JJR on Mar 2, 2023 23:28:20 GMT
No BDB we were penalised out of it
Smith was the same last year, we seemed to have him endlessly in our bad patch..He’s just not up to it and, as has been said earlier, it’ll kill the sport. I’m a season ticket holder and if refs continue like that I won’t go..tonight was a disgrace
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Post by gadger on Mar 2, 2023 23:31:01 GMT
It’s all about momentum, we needed to hold that first 10 mins. They score off a terrible kick which we didn’t defend, another time we tackle the lad who caught it near half way and we’re on the attack. The sin bin was very harsh, he wasn’t holding him down for any longer than any other tackle. Only difference being they were on an attack, that changed the game. Then the penalty tries just take it away from us. Did we get any set restarts tonight?
Can’t blame the ref entirely it’s up to us how we react, but momentum is everything.
As a positive though, first half we were excellent, if we can put a full 80 together we’ll be tough to stop
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Post by redunderthebed on Mar 3, 2023 0:29:06 GMT
I very rarely complain about referees but I thought Smith had a shocker tonight. The sin bin was extremely harsh followed by the penalty against Sneyd which was incorrect. I’ve never liked the six again rule and tonight it was extremely unevenly applied. The 8 point tries were really poor decisions. Esp the 1st one, see them in pretty much every game.
That said. We weren’t good enough in the first 10 minutes after half time. No excuse for losing a half 30-0 despite the dodgy refereeing. I thought going for 2 when we got the penalty in the 2nd half was the wrong decision. Too many knock ons from kicks
We were very good in the first half and should have seen the game out.
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