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Post by Carnster on May 3, 2017 21:49:31 GMT
Was that aimed at my post? I don't think anyone was discussing or disputing our current season. The topic of this thread is 'Manchester Red Devils' and was discussing any possible re-brading, the whys, why nots, reasons, pros and cons. I'm not really sure what your post is getting at. We all know our season is going well, that wasn't the topic. You should also try to be a little more civil on here please. It was aimed and the thread in general and half our fan base losing the plot over a rumour, compeltely ridiculous. Sincerest apologies for swearing but I'm extremely anti-negativity. Sick the constant meltdowns from fans if it wasn't this daft rumour there would be a melt down over the Carney scenario. Believe me if you want to or if you don't want to then that's fine, but I have been told by someone very close to our CEO that we will NOT be changing our name to MRD. No problem. I'm not presuming anything until it becomes official or doesn't materialise. It's only a drama if you let it become one! It's my club and I'll always support it while it exists in whatever format that takes. We were very close to not having a club at all, so the way I see it is that as long as the Club is here I'll be grateful. |
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Post by gadger on May 3, 2017 21:51:44 GMT
it's hard to believe how well we are playing with how negative I am feeling! But, the rumours that I have heard don't seem logical, I do believe something is definitely being spoken about, too much smoke for there not to be something.
But I can't see how we would be allowed to play at our current ground under any other city name, or if there were a move where that would be that would make sense.
Thinking about it with a non emotional head on, maybe there is something else afoot.
So frustrating!!
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Post by salfordlad1 on May 3, 2017 22:02:18 GMT
I'll admit from Marwan's Tweet the other day there definitely is something going on but from what I can gather from that quote it sounds to me more likely that we're expecting some pretty positive news.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 22:55:32 GMT
Very poor management and leadership from the club, this is all now potentially incredibly damaging. At a time when we should all be luxuriating in our current lofty position this leaks out and then the Carney situation.
Some form of statement is required.
Are we destined to always have shat to deal with each season?
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Post by ayresrock on May 4, 2017 0:01:55 GMT
this is a little left field but with the mass hysteria this has caused and the numerous posts appearing all over social media, is this playing in to some devilish scheme by the powers at Koukash towers? Fans suddenly popping up to put posters up everywhere, talk of getting every man and his dog along. When there was not threat of this name change, very few were to be seen doing this but now suddenly, once again we are in the "any publicity is good publicity" bubble this club seems to love.
step back and think about it.
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on May 4, 2017 5:23:01 GMT
this is a little left field but with the mass hysteria this has caused and the numerous posts appearing all over social media, is this playing in to some devilish scheme by the powers at Koukash towers? Fans suddenly popping up to put posters up everywhere, talk of getting every man and his dog along. When there was not threat of this name change, very few were to be seen doing this but now suddenly, once again we are in the "any publicity is good publicity" bubble this club seems to love. step back and think about it. This has also crossed my mind too. |
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Post by Carnster on May 4, 2017 5:38:58 GMT
At the moment, the only people making an issue around the Club are some of the supporters who seem to have whipped themselves into a frenzy based on very little.
People need to keep emotions in check until they can be backed up with solid evidence and not rumour. It's okay to speculate and discuss, but as it stands, it's all hypothetical.
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Post by gadger on May 4, 2017 6:08:56 GMT
Whilst I agree the name calling is not on, I also think people do need to let him know the damage this would cause. Waiting to see what happens would be too late, feelings need to be made heard now.
In fairness, the abuse is un called for, but that mainly seems to be in reaction to being blocked which is equally childish. Nobody covering themselves in glory here
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Post by gadger on May 4, 2017 6:11:09 GMT
this is a little left field but with the mass hysteria this has caused and the numerous posts appearing all over social media, is this playing in to some devilish scheme by the powers at Koukash towers? Fans suddenly popping up to put posters up everywhere, talk of getting every man and his dog along. When there was not threat of this name change, very few were to be seen doing this but now suddenly, once again we are in the "any publicity is good publicity" bubble this club seems to love. step back and think about it. This has also crossed my mind too. Yeh I thought this the other day, seems a strange way to run your business, scare people in to marketing for you but nothing would surprise me |
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Post by hillbillyred on May 4, 2017 7:12:59 GMT
Sorry but following Salford, for me at least, is emotional. Don't worry Carnster, I'm not going to burn Dr Devil or build a Trump wall on the Irwell.  If I consider giving up most of one day of a weekend in a logical way, I would not be watching 26 men throwing a pig skin around on a 2 acre field. I am not logical (ask my wife). |
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Post by Chico on May 4, 2017 8:32:36 GMT
I think Salford will always have low to fair crowds regardless of success. If you look back all the way back to the seventies our crowds have never been massive or even consistently medium to high, even when we were at our best in the modern era. If you go back beyond the seventies you see larger increases in crowds, but the reasons for that are as much to do with social-economic, political, and community demographics. Different era, different lives. I’ll post what I put on Facebook a couple of weeks back: The only problem with the 70s comparison, and we’re kind of blinkered by this as Salford fans, is that for much of that decade rugby league was really on its arse. Take the 1976/77 season, for example. Salford’s average attendance was 5,457 – shite by modern standards for a club who were the reigning champions. Yet only Widnes had a higher average that season. Wigan? 4,699. Leeds? 4,508. Hull? 3,860. St Helens? 4,736. So in an era where the game generally gets bigger crowds across the board, is Salford’s crowd potential higher now than it was then? My gut isn’t having it (and the stadium is still a pain in the bollocks for mine) but we haven’t really tested it properly yet. |
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Post by ayresrock on May 4, 2017 9:11:12 GMT
To a point, I agree that I don't think our crowds will ever reach levels of those seen at Wigan, Saints, Warrington on a regular basis purely because they are towns that the club forms a big part of. We just don't have that in Salford. However (and in contradiction of myself somewhat to my opening statement) we have the potential to be massive if the club continues to turn around the misfortune of 30 years of being mediocre and the continual false dawns that have come and gone, the past 5 years being really bad one's given we were promised the earth and they failed to deliver. Least at the Willows we knew our place and although sometimes we got a little excited, we never truly believed it deep down that much would change.
Since Koukash came in, it's been own the stadium, make money from the land around, be the Man City of rugby with money to spare, throw unlimited resources at grassroots, have all the best players, trophies coming regularly and we all lapped it up for it only to fall back down and be where we are today.
A good couple of years on the pitch with us challenging in the top half and some good runs in the challenge cup would I believe see our crowds rise to around 8k average. Win something and could expect little more on that as long as it's not a one-time thing and the year after we fall away. I am a big believer that the best way to increase crowd numbers is success on the pitch and it's as simple as that. Little Johhny is not going to keep coming and watching a team get beat but little Johnny will want to be a Salford player if they are seen on TV winning things. Salford City are a great example of this given 3 years of good success on the pitch and crowds have risen from a couple hundred to a couple thousand. Does anyone ever see them advertising games around the city apart from the odd post if you follow their social media accounts?
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Post by ayresrock on May 4, 2017 9:13:02 GMT
oh and a mate I was talking to last night about this made a nice little ironic statement "So Salford could be renamed the Manchester Red Devils but will play out of Manchester City's facilities! Good one!" He does have a point in that won't go down well.
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Post by hammerlessnail on May 4, 2017 9:38:09 GMT
I think Salford will always have low to fair crowds regardless of success. If you look back all the way back to the seventies our crowds have never been massive or even consistently medium to high, even when we were at our best in the modern era. If you go back beyond the seventies you see larger increases in crowds, but the reasons for that are as much to do with social-economic, political, and community demographics. Different era, different lives. I’ll post what I put on Facebook a couple of weeks back: The only problem with the 70s comparison, and we’re kind of blinkered by this as Salford fans, is that for much of that decade rugby league was really on its arse. Take the 1976/77 season, for example. Salford’s average attendance was 5,457 – shite by modern standards for a club who were the reigning champions. Yet only Widnes had a higher average that season. Wigan? 4,699. Leeds? 4,508. Hull? 3,860. St Helens? 4,736. So in an era where the game generally gets bigger crowds across the board, is Salford’s crowd potential higher now than it was then? My gut isn’t having it (and the stadium is still a pain in the bollocks for mine) but we haven’t really tested it properly yet. I was going to post something similar about putting the seventies attendance figures into context. Gradually, over time, the sport picked up and attendances rose. Unfortunately, Salford embarked on 40 years of utter mediocrity. I was also going to add that on September 11th, 2011, 10,146 people felt they could identify as Salford fans sufficiently enough to turn up for the last game at The Willows. Similarly, on February 16th, 2014, 7102 people turned up at the AJ Bell to watch the first game of the new era, an era which promised a lot, but has so far failed to deliver. Those people haven't all died or been whisked off to another dimension, so where are they? I would argue that they're mostly still around, but on those occasions they were attracted by something beyond what the club normally offers: a farewell in the first case, and a massive shot of (misplaced) optimism in the second. They didn't need a "Manchester" name to attract them. They just needed something to make it worthwhile. After two years of pissing with its zip up, the club is starting to offer that optimism again, and people are responding, albeit slowly. There are Salford fans out there, and I don't agree with the idea that the club will never get decent attendances. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 9:48:56 GMT
A prime example of why this is (if true) a crazy notion by those in charge.
I took a fare from Eccles to his home behind the Velodrome last night, asked if he was a City fan (which he was) and then explained what is the potentially going to happen.
IE that Salford will play home games there as the Red Devils (possibly Manchester Red Devils).
His reaction to me asking if he or other local City fans would watch a rugby team called the Red Devils playing there was an incredibly ironic "yeah right"
From the horses mouth.
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