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Carney
May 2, 2017 20:49:58 GMT
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Post by bigfish on May 2, 2017 20:49:58 GMT
FFS just when things were looking up! I was praying to god this was all a misunderstanding but where the fcuk do we go now? Carney's a pillock and even if he isn't racist and it was a spur of the moment comment (which I'm not condoning) he's put his career in jeopardy. Does the club force Carney into a public apology/community work/anti-racism backing etc and stand by him and play the role of supportive/rehabilitating employer or do they terminate the contract with immediate effect? We can't win either way IMO and Carney has seriously left himself and the club in the Gary Glitter. Do I think someone else will take him on if we let him go? Absolutely, assuming he makes the right noises/apologises etc. We've seen plenty of players with convictions resurrect their career so it's now down to the club whether it's us or someone else who plays the "arm round the shoulder" card. Not a choice I'd like to make and I honestly don't know what I, as a fan, want out of this. I think the club need to let him go. I would like to hear all the details but if he's done it then we can't be seen to be taking this lightly. We are on the best run we've had for years and we don't need this negative press around the place. I'm sure Leigh will snap him up but I don't really care. |
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Post by travellingred on May 3, 2017 6:21:53 GMT
FFS just when things were looking up! I was praying to god this was all a misunderstanding but where the fcuk do we go now? Carney's a pillock and even if he isn't racist and it was a spur of the moment comment (which I'm not condoning) he's put his career in jeopardy. Does the club force Carney into a public apology/community work/anti-racism backing etc and stand by him and play the role of supportive/rehabilitating employer or do they terminate the contract with immediate effect? We can't win either way IMO and Carney has seriously left himself and the club in the Gary Glitter. Do I think someone else will take him on if we let him go? Absolutely, assuming he makes the right noises/apologises etc. We've seen plenty of players with convictions resurrect their career so it's now down to the club whether it's us or someone else who plays the "arm round the shoulder" card. Not a choice I'd like to make and I honestly don't know what I, as a fan, want out of this. I think the club need to let him go. I would like to hear all the details but if he's done it then we can't be seen to be taking this lightly. We are on the best run we've had for years and we don't need this negative press around the place. I'm sure Leigh will snap him up but I don't really care. Like you say, chances are someone else will come along and snap him up. However, if we are trying to create an environment that makes players feel like the club has their interests at heart, then maybe the club should look at some form of rehabilitation and standing by the player. To lose a player of Carney's quality would be at detriment to performances on the field of play. If the rest of the team are happy to take to the field and are happy he isn't a racist then the fans should be. I'm sure everyone on this forum has done something they regret. |
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Post by boggles61 on May 3, 2017 6:33:25 GMT
It really is both disappointing and wrong what he has done , as previously stated we don't know all the facts other than he's been found guilty as charged , but haven't we all done or said something that simply isn't acceptable? Give the bloke a chance I say to show some remorse, have you all forgotten Hardakers misdemeanours?If we let him go another club will get a great player work with him Salford give him a chance .
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Carney
May 3, 2017 7:00:52 GMT
Post by bonitared on May 3, 2017 7:00:52 GMT
He's pleaded guilty. We have previous with wingers !
The disciplinary have sentenced him and said they're satisfied that he's not a racist.
To say that he should stay is not to condone racism.
He's made a big mistake,he's been punished.
How about rehabilitation of offenders !
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Carney
May 3, 2017 7:08:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 7:08:24 GMT
If we do let him go MCB is unhappy at Wakefield, still lives in Salford, off contract and above all really hitting his straps.
I'd take him back in a Tasi type way.
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Carney
May 3, 2017 7:47:35 GMT
Post by bandgeekmafia78 on May 3, 2017 7:47:35 GMT
Admitting that you've racially abused a fellow professional doesn't sit comfortably with me, although I'm confused that the RFL Disciplinary Panel are satisfied that he isn't a racist per se. How does that work?
I'm also led to believe that he pleaded guilty in order to accept a more lenient punishment, but then again why would you admit to saying a racist remark if you didn't actually do it?
Does anyone know if Ryan Bailey was involved in the Disciplinary Hearing at all? Surely it would have been prudent to liase with him and get his take on what happened.
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Carney
May 3, 2017 8:03:25 GMT
Post by bonitared on May 3, 2017 8:03:25 GMT
The panel was chaired by a high court judge,or similar.
No point in re-running the case.
Whatever his motive,he admitted the charge and they were satisfied he's not racist.
As to how that works is neither here nor there.
The court has opined.
The question is whether Salford are prepared to accept that's the end of the matter,or will they use the situation for other reasons.
Hand on heart,I'd like the club to retain his services albeit he shouldn't be paid whilst he's out
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Post by Carnster on May 3, 2017 8:36:33 GMT
Regardless of what has happened here's my take on what people need to think about before going off on one...
RL has in the past been poor at supporting players who have had issues. Be that mental health or behavior issues and all that encompasses. Carney has made a mistake, and one that hasn't actually hurt or damaged anyone except himself. The fact that an independent tribunal is satisfied that Carney isn't a racist (I know, it's all a bit contradictory) means that the Club should really think hard and long about how to deal with this. It's not as simple as saying 'He shouldn't be paid when he's banned' as that hurts his Family and is also negligent for the players welfare. The same goes for simply sacking him. While it washes the Clubs hands of him and the problem it once again causes distress to his Family. Their welfare is also a factor in all this. There is clearly more here than we are privvy to, so I think we have to leave it to the club to make the right decisions. But I think that leaving him out to hang and dry, regardless of what happens to his employment status can not be a good thing. You're talking about sending someone down to a dark area where anything can happen.
It's human nature to jump to conclusions, especially over emotive subjects where things are usually not as black and white (no pun intended) as we sometimes see them. I really hope the Club provide suitable support whatever their decision as I'd hate for something like this to spiral downwards.
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Post by kitch on May 3, 2017 10:14:49 GMT
Wise words, Carnster. Whatever the legal position, I feel that the club, and indeed any club, still has a duty of care towards a player in this situation. Remember Terry Newton.
He has been found guilty and been handed a punishment to match. The club probably needs to conclude its own disciplinary with some sort of positive move, perhaps some sort of community or race relations role for Carney to show how he can rehabilitate and move on. This can then be brought round to be a positive for the club. Acceptance that this is wrong, action to improve things, and supporting the player.
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Carney
May 3, 2017 10:36:13 GMT
Post by scoot on May 3, 2017 10:36:13 GMT
Wise words, Carnster. Whatever the legal position, I feel that the club, and indeed any club, still has a duty of care towards a player in this situation. Remember Terry Newton. He has been found guilty and been handed a punishment to match. The club probably needs to conclude its own disciplinary with some sort of positive move, perhaps some sort of community or race relations role for Carney to show how he can rehabilitate and move on. This can then be brought round to be a positive for the club. Acceptance that this is wrong, action to improve things, and supporting the player. Quite agree. The club needs to be positive and supportive. He has been cleared of being a racist. |
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Carney
May 3, 2017 10:40:58 GMT
Post by jeffmcrib on May 3, 2017 10:40:58 GMT
Regardless of what has happened here's my take on what people need to think about before going off on one... RL has in the past been poor at supporting players who have had issues. Be that mental health or behavior issues and all that encompasses. Carney has made a mistake, and one that hasn't actually hurt or damaged anyone except himself. The fact that an independent tribunal is satisfied that Carney isn't a racist (I know, it's all a bit contradictory) means that the Club should really think hard and long about how to deal with this. It's not as simple as saying 'He shouldn't be paid when he's banned' as that hurts his Family and is also negligent for the players welfare. The same goes for simply sacking him. While it washes the Clubs hands of him and the problem it once again causes distress to his Family. Their welfare is also a factor in all this. There is clearly more here than we are privvy to, so I think we have to leave it to the club to make the right decisions. But I think that leaving him out to hang and dry, regardless of what happens to his employment status can not be a good thing. You're talking about sending someone down to a dark area where anything can happen. It's human nature to jump to conclusions, especially over emotive subjects where things are usually not as black and white (no pun intended) as we sometimes see them. I really hope the Club provide suitable support whatever their decision as I'd hate for something like this to spiral downwards. Agreed Carnster. What seems to be going on in the club regarding this is encouraging. There is no knee-jerk reaction, even the fact that the hearing was pushed back a week says to me this was far more involved than an open and shut case. A full review will go on internally (again no knee jerk stuff) and from that, the club will come up with the best idea as to exactly what went on and will be able to make a balanced judgement on what to do next about it.
Should the club be in a position to, I would like to get the full report from them about exactly what went on and when they eventually make their decision on next moves for the player, there will be minimum come back on the club as the reasons for the decision will be clear. (I doubt this will be made available, but one can only hope)
I personally think that they would like to keep him on and be seen as rehabilitating / re-educating the player as opposed to dropping him completely. But that's just IMHO.
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Carney
May 3, 2017 11:04:09 GMT
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Post by Astleyred on May 3, 2017 11:04:09 GMT
When Alker was disciplined internally by the club and stripped of the captaincy, wasn't that for a racial incident involving Wiltshire over in Jacksonville?
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Carney
May 3, 2017 11:06:06 GMT
Post by bigkeev on May 3, 2017 11:06:06 GMT
Admitting that you've racially abused a fellow professional doesn't sit comfortably with me, although I'm confused that the RFL Disciplinary Panel are satisfied that he isn't a racist per se. How does that work? I'm also led to believe that he pleaded guilty in order to accept a more lenient punishment, but then again why would you admit to saying a racist remark if you didn't actually do it? Does anyone know if Ryan Bailey was involved in the Disciplinary Hearing at all? Surely it would have been prudent to liase with him and get his take on what happened. It seems to me you have answered your own question mate. If your own conscience is clear and it would result in a more lenient punishment then why wouldn't you plead guilty? Would it have been better if he had contested it and been found guilty regardless, probably resulting in a harsher punishment. I've said on various boards that this smacks of a deal. With this situation being basically his word against the word of an official, The RFL were always going to have to find him guilty. This way he pleads guilty and receives the minimum punishment with an arbitrary fine with the possibility of playing again this season assuming the club stand by him. |
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Post by SalfordSlim on May 3, 2017 11:14:14 GMT
Carnster... excellent summary and agree 100%.👋 I'll be the first to hold my hands up and admit that I've made derogatory remarks to an opposing player in my younger days (I'm sure a few here can relate to this). I've also made accusations of them having "relations" with another member of the same sex. I was young and immature and it's quite frankly ridiculous as A) I have plenty of gay mates B) my mum is gay! Am I/have I ever been homophobic? God no, more a case of big mouth trying to create a reaction without even considering what I was saying in the heat of the moment.
Whilst it's abhorent that this has happened, the player, the club and the RFL need to make something positive come out of this. If it's working in tandem to support anti-racism ventures in sport then great. If it's Carney going into schools etc during his ban and highlighting issues of racism etc then again I'm all for it. I'm a season ticket holder at Salford City and we had a certain Lee Hughes play against us a couple of months back. I'm sure most on here will be aware he served time for killing someone as a result of drink driving. Not sure how I'd cope if the club employed a player with that kind of conviction hanging around his neck. I'm confident the club will do the right thing on this one if Carney is willing to make it publicly known of his remorse and proactively embraces his punishment/rehabilitation and puts things right by his actions. Maybe a final written warning on his conduct with anger management counselling etc would be the best move with immediate dismissal for a repeat offence?
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Carney
May 3, 2017 11:17:59 GMT
Post by bandgeekmafia78 on May 3, 2017 11:17:59 GMT
It seems to me you have answered your own question mate. If your own conscience is clear and it would result in a more lenient punishment then why wouldn't you plead guilty? Who in their right mind would plead guilty to making a racist comment that they didn't make on the premise that you get a reduced ban? That's nonsensical. Regardless of whether your conscious is clear or not, mud sticks. The media and opposition fans will hound you for the rest of your career. It's bound to have a detrimental impact eventually. |
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