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Post by ecclesred on Nov 5, 2024 16:13:57 GMT
You should be the Club PR man Carnster….its the finance that bothers me though…always seems jam tomorrow….i hope you’re right and we can follow the likes of Cas! Wakey and Leigh before Toulouse, Bradford London catch us up… This year without 4 th place we might not have been having this conversation though We finished 5th
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Post by JJR on Nov 5, 2024 16:22:37 GMT
You must be a Leighther…
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Post by ecclesred on Nov 5, 2024 16:54:53 GMT
Those that went out in the first eliminator (us and St Helens) are 5th/6th with us being higher as finished league higher
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Post by chief on Nov 5, 2024 17:33:18 GMT
Sorry I see there is reason as a. shareholder and a Season Ticket holder …and no information coming out of the Club as to where we’re going…although were told there was If you’re not concerned that’s no issue for me…it does concern me that we’re 12th and potentially vulnerable… I was not being apathetic to our situation. I was pointing out that the link you posted told us nothing we didn’t already know.
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Post by JJR on Nov 5, 2024 21:03:44 GMT
No probs C…the new bit to me was about expansion, hence why I included it…we may get 14 teams with Cat A next year but only the top 12 would be in SL, so Cat A not a guarantee of SL even if we creep up the table….SL only likely to be expanded if more money from Sky ie beyond 2025
We have slipped to 12th place and are/ seem v vulnerable, especially if we have an ordinary time on the field….so are we really down on funds, a bit complacent , really confident we can shoot up the t@ble…who knows…do we have a plan…but silence seems golden stil….sadly with all 5hings it’s the norm…
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Post by steveh on Nov 6, 2024 8:58:51 GMT
No probs C…the new bit to me was about expansion, hence why I included it…we may get 14 teams with Cat A next year but only the top 12 would be in SL, so Cat A not a guarantee of SL even if we creep up the table….SL only likely to be expanded if more money from Sky ie beyond 2025 We have slipped to 12th place and are/ seem v vulnerable, especially if we have an ordinary time on the field….so are we really down on funds, a bit complacent , really confident we can shoot up the t@ble…who knows…do we have a plan…but silence seems golden stil….sadly with all 5hings it’s the norm… But that also depends on whether IMG close the loophole re finances where extra funds were pushed into club accounts just ahead of the grading and withdrawn again later. That probably pushed some clubs up into an A grade that really shouldn't have been. If the grading process is changed to look at finances over a full season rather than a specific point in time, you might see some clubs fall back to a B grade this time next year
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Post by russ on Nov 6, 2024 15:52:13 GMT
No probs C…the new bit to me was about expansion, hence why I included it…we may get 14 teams with Cat A next year but only the top 12 would be in SL, so Cat A not a guarantee of SL even if we creep up the table….SL only likely to be expanded if more money from Sky ie beyond 2025 We have slipped to 12th place and are/ seem v vulnerable, especially if we have an ordinary time on the field….so are we really down on funds, a bit complacent , really confident we can shoot up the t@ble…who knows…do we have a plan…but silence seems golden stil….sadly with all 5hings it’s the norm… " ..... where extra funds were pushed into club accounts just ahead of the grading and withdrawn again later." "Whatever next!"
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Post by worsleyreddevil on Nov 6, 2024 19:59:14 GMT
No probs C…the new bit to me was about expansion, hence why I included it…we may get 14 teams with Cat A next year but only the top 12 would be in SL, so Cat A not a guarantee of SL even if we creep up the table….SL only likely to be expanded if more money from Sky ie beyond 2025 We have slipped to 12th place and are/ seem v vulnerable, especially if we have an ordinary time on the field….so are we really down on funds, a bit complacent , really confident we can shoot up the t@ble…who knows…do we have a plan…but silence seems golden stil….sadly with all 5hings it’s the norm… Rather than give me a daily Nene socials post I want to know what the plan is regarding IMG and to what understand what value this newly elected CBS board brings. As you say JJR no comms and do we have a plan?
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Post by russ on Nov 6, 2024 20:38:40 GMT
I think if you're fed up of being treated like a mushroom, I've heard Mars is free at the moment!
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Post by JJR on Nov 7, 2024 7:54:38 GMT
WRD I don’t think anybody knows who’s doing what within the Club or what the structures and responsibilities are now
We’ve never had much info out for many years but it’s getting worse…too many unanswered questions, lots of them v basic snd I know a number of people are sadly losing interest.
Maybe we might start a thread ..’As Supporters, things we’d like to know’…😉
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Post by russ on Nov 7, 2024 8:54:22 GMT
WRD I don’t think anybody knows who’s doing what within the Club or what the structures and responsibilities are now We’ve never had much info out for many years but it’s getting worse…too many unanswered questions, lots of them v basic snd I know a number of people are sadly losing interest. Maybe we might start a thread ..’As Supporters, things we’d like to know’…😉 Although tongue in cheek, I think that thread might be a good one both as an opportunity for the club to respond on here (assuming they would) and to move move organisational and I could do it better gripes to a place where it would be more er ..... appreciated.
Also if the club did respond then good fan communication for the silly IMG box!
A fan comment/club answer point on the club's website might help too!
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Post by bigkeev on Nov 7, 2024 9:14:17 GMT
With regards to loopholes being closed surrounding the artificial temporary inflation of balance sheets, Im not really sure that would be enforceable for what in some cases are privately owned entities. Its a fairly common practice in fairness, and I think the RFL or IMG would be hard pressed to start telling a selection of pretty rich men where they can and cant keep their money, but in fairness I only have a cursory understanding of what shenanigans have been going on, much like everyone else on here.
With regrads to a "Plan" I would imagine there is one to address the main areas within our control (The purchase of Screens etc). The timelines for those aspects are probably subject to finances, which at this time of year are in flux due to the ongoing Season Ticket purchases, finalising of the playing squad etc.
To be honest if the board had come out 2 days after the gradings with a bullet point plan to address each aspect without timelines and costings they would have likely be accused of being knee jerk. Not producing anything so far leaves them open to accusations of doing nothing.
For me a more considered approach seems the way to go, but Im not so desperate to know the intricate financial inner dealings of the club, nor do I feel they are in some way beholden to me, because as a "Fan" they have periodically called on me to bung them a few quid to keep them afloat. As a fan of a number of sports and follower of different teams Im not aware of any of them who provide a complete financial breakdown of the current balance sheet that some seem to be calling for. If its a deal breaker for you then thats fine, everybody has the choice to vote with their fee as it were. Personally I have a lot of trust in the current custodians as I feel they have performed well over the last 5 or 6 years of pretty much unprecedented, relative success, so Im happy to continue to let them get on with it.
I am in a wider sense surprised that people are so seemingly shocked by our vulnerability, in terms of our grading. Our above par performance on the pitch aside, did anyone genuinely believe that we wouldnt be struggling based on the other criteria set out. We can all argue about the grade relative to our peers, (Castleford, Wakefield etc) but we as a club are at best a work in progress, so in a lot of ways it is only right that were not nailed on to stay in the Super League.
I am positive that we will address most of the issues regarding our grading, Im just not so sure how much it ultimatly matters when it seems to me that the plan is, certainly in the short term, to reduce the league in numbers, redistribute what central funding we have to those clubs that have rich benefactors and have an NFL style league, with the odd new franchise to pop up in London or even France thats owned by some bored multi-millionaire.
I would love Salford to be in the mix under their own steam, or become such a success story that an owner with deep pockets is attracted enough to take us on as a viable going concern.
My worry is that whatever we do our face just doesnt fit.
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Post by russ on Nov 7, 2024 9:50:57 GMT
My worry is that whatever we do our face just doesnt fit. I think most clubs' fans feel this way but I believe the evidence shows it's accurate in our case. We are not fanciful in our judgement of the evidence.
Only our performances prevent us being a far bigger target.
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Post by mauricethered on Nov 7, 2024 11:25:45 GMT
WRD I don’t think anybody knows who’s doing what within the Club or what the structures and responsibilities are now We’ve never had much info out for many years but it’s getting worse…too many unanswered questions, lots of them v basic and I know a number of people are sadly losing interest. Maybe we might start a thread ..’As Supporters, things we’d like to know’…😉 I understand the skepticism of JJR and WRD on the IMG plan and CBS. I have just got an email outlining the need to be better in certain areas and reset the CBS Sub Committees. 'Our Owner Sub-Committees are now more important than ever as we work to gain those additional 1.03 points needed to reach an A grade. We’re therefore looking to relaunch these with all new focus areas, if you’d like to take part and you’re able to commit to 1-2 hours a month please email us on owners@salfordreddevils.net'. What has been happening for the last 12 months with the CBS movement? I initially offered my time to a CBS Sub Committee but in all honestly prefer to assist with the Supporters Trust.
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Post by JJR on Nov 7, 2024 13:29:25 GMT
IMG Owner Sub Committee The team can’t do much better on the pitch MTR, in fact if we get into the bottom few we’re likely out of SL…one of 3 teams under threat
In the end it appears all about Finance; we seem to be have generated too much debt, spending too much, borrowing and selling assets to cover debts, factoring debts, potentially spending this years money on last years debts …and not generating enough funds….from what can be gleaned from the accounts
If the Club are open to the Group re the Finances then you can start solving…but if not you could be just tinkering at the edges….
You possibly need to start by Asking that Question
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