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Post by earlybath on Aug 27, 2021 12:00:17 GMT
I am consistent with my views on this one. RM is clearly building the team for 2022 with HIS choice of players to do a pre-season and then roar off the grid. We shall all see if this approach is successful but because of the funding reduction quite clearly players will either accept less or they will have to go elsewhere so I feel there will be a big turn around of players. Even so unless we all see an improvement after 10 matches in 2022 then we will have to look at things again. Now - are there any British alternatives? The club surely cannot afford an overseas coach what with housing, cars, family etc so it has to be a British man. So - who are the possible experienced available men? McDermott, Noble, Kear, Duffy, Chester etc - well for me none of them fit the bill. So that`s a negative. Also for all you Marshall foes - look what Watto has done at Huddersfield with a HUGE cash investment as well. A team that have gone backwards since last season. Maybe he will become available shortly! Early Bath Dont turn this thread into us and them, Manny has asked the question. I am merely putting my views on the thread. You should do the same by providing alternatives to sacking the coach willy nilly. (Not Willie Pochin  as he`s now elsewhere) |
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Post by osrd on Aug 27, 2021 12:36:10 GMT
For what it’s worth I spoke to fans before last nights game, during the game, and the consensus of all of them was that things need to improve over what we have at present but all of them feel that due to our present position it would not be the best thing to do to dismiss RM as we simply could not afford to.
All the fans spoken to were in attendance at LEIGH where the performance tested people to the limit it was that poor but last night we were much improved against a much better side and nothing went our way from the officials and Catalans do not require any help from the officials, which they got in bucketfuls.
Walking back to the car, the atmosphere wasn’t that bad, certainly not as bleak as you would imagine according to some people.
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Post by reds89 on Aug 28, 2021 8:59:59 GMT
Here's my two penneth. As people have stated, Marshall inherited the squad that he has taken charge of. Normally one of two things happen for a coach to leave, either halfway through the season the coach gets sacked and the incoming coach has to get to the end of that season with the players that he has. Or, as has been the case with Castleford and Warrington this season, the coach announces that he is leaving at the end of that season giving the club plenty of time to appoint his successor, who will then take charge of recruitment for when they arrive. Neither of these happened for Marshall. Watson decided he was leaving in the close season having already done the recruitment for this year, taking the backroom staff with him. This meant that come to the start of the pre-season, we had just appointed a head coach who had little to no say in the players that he had for the season. We spent the first few weeks of pre-season without a conditioning coach so have constantly been playing catch up with players that the coach didn't want.
I truly believe that come next season, with the players that he wants and a proper pre-season with a full staff, that Marshall can turn it around. We may not hit the heights that we hit under Watson but hopefully, with Marshall's vision of a full pathway from youth, we will start to see players coming through our own academy and build the club on and off the field.
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Post by gadger on Aug 28, 2021 9:25:18 GMT
Here's my two penneth. As people have stated, Marshall inherited the squad that he has taken charge of. Normally one of two things happen for a coach to leave, either halfway through the season the coach gets sacked and the incoming coach has to get to the end of that season with the players that he has. Or, as has been the case with Castleford and Warrington this season, the coach announces that he is leaving at the end of that season giving the club plenty of time to appoint his successor, who will then take charge of recruitment for when they arrive. Neither of these happened for Marshall. Watson decided he was leaving in the close season having already done the recruitment for this year, taking the backroom staff with him. This meant that come to the start of the pre-season, we had just appointed a head coach who had little to no say in the players that he had for the season. We spent the first few weeks of pre-season without a conditioning coach so have constantly been playing catch up with players that the coach didn't want. I truly believe that come next season, with the players that he wants and a proper pre-season with a full staff, that Marshall can turn it around. We may not hit the heights that we hit under Watson but hopefully, with Marshall's vision of a full pathway from youth, we will start to see players coming through our own academy and build the club on and off the field. Really really hope you are right. Unless anything drastic happens over the next few weeks I have no doubt Marshall will still be there next season. I’m not convinced he’ll turn it around, despite all the above i would still expect to see some improvement over the season which we just havent. Hope and pray you are more right than me, we cant afford to be this bad next season when theres no Leigh. |
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Post by stadge on Aug 28, 2021 11:46:48 GMT
Here's my two penneth. As people have stated, Marshall inherited the squad that he has taken charge of. Normally one of two things happen for a coach to leave, either halfway through the season the coach gets sacked and the incoming coach has to get to the end of that season with the players that he has. Or, as has been the case with Castleford and Warrington this season, the coach announces that he is leaving at the end of that season giving the club plenty of time to appoint his successor, who will then take charge of recruitment for when they arrive. Neither of these happened for Marshall. Watson decided he was leaving in the close season having already done the recruitment for this year, taking the backroom staff with him. This meant that come to the start of the pre-season, we had just appointed a head coach who had little to no say in the players that he had for the season. We spent the first few weeks of pre-season without a conditioning coach so have constantly been playing catch up with players that the coach didn't want. I truly believe that come next season, with the players that he wants and a proper pre-season with a full staff, that Marshall can turn it around. We may not hit the heights that we hit under Watson but hopefully, with Marshall's vision of a full pathway from youth, we will start to see players coming through our own academy and build the club on and off the field. I keep hearing this argument that the players are not Marshall’s. With respect it is ludicrous. True, the players may not fit in to his view of how the game should be played. However, he is a Manager and as such should bring in structures that enable him to get the best out of the players at his disposal. There should still be a semblance of discipline, an attacking structure and defensive system whether they are his players or not. Football’s Sam Allardyce has built a reputation for going into clubs and keeping them up. Those were teams with none of his players but he put in systems that got the best out of them. Any Manager in any organisation when going into a new job has this challenge. In someways, those saying that we have struggled because they are not his players are in effect highlighting his failure as a Coach. Also this give him ten games next season viewpoint. What if we are bottom at that point so he goes. A new Coach, once appointed, would have a dozen games to keep us up. There is unlikely to be a Leigh below us next season. But, then again if we are struggling to stay up after ten games, why bother sacking him as any new Coach wouldn’t have a chance of succeeding as he would be inheriting a squad that are not his players. |
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Post by red54 on Aug 28, 2021 15:01:53 GMT
I heard there are problems with his coaching style which isn’t going down to well in the dressing room, heard it was that they are treated like kids, which as an older pro I expect is not the right way to be treated. That maybe why he is signing more younger players.
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Post by Carnster on Aug 28, 2021 15:42:01 GMT
I'm with stadge on this one...
Any new coach inherits a team.
Never in the history of team sports has a new coach been appointed and they've sacked all the current players and brought in completely new ones to a man. To me it's grasping at straws to suggest this.
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 28, 2021 16:06:31 GMT
I'm with stadge on this one... Any new coach inherits a team. Never in the history of team sports has a new coach been appointed and they've sacked all the current players and brought in completely new ones to a man. To me it's grasping at straws to suggest this. Paul, This nonsense a coach is only judged if he as is own players is just that nonsense. |
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Post by JJR on Aug 28, 2021 17:03:01 GMT
As is usually said in sport, “It’s a results driven business” and so he will, obviously, be judged on his results, over time.
The mitigating factors are Covid, lack of funds to strengthen squad, the loss of his two starting props etc. He’s now deeper into the Club’s expectations because he’s now picking the players he wants for next season; so I would think he has about 8/10 matches next year to prove himself, next season.
Will he do it, possibly but the one thing I really don’t understand is that there is no consistency of team selection. Can’t remember any other team in any other sport changing personnel so much on a match by match basis.
On the positive side, we were battered with our light forwards in the Catalan match (and some strange decisions by the ref) but there was good effort. So signs at least.
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Post by bonitared on Aug 28, 2021 17:55:09 GMT
‘Will he do it, possibly but the one thing I really don’t understand is that there is no consistency of team selection. Can’t remember any other team in any other sport changing personnel so much on a match by match basis. ‘
Looking at the squad for Monday,we have 3 wingers and 3 centres.
Bet he plays Sarge at full back
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Post by Carnster on Aug 28, 2021 19:19:00 GMT
On the positive side, we were battered with our light forwards in the Catalan match (and some strange decisions by the ref) but there was good effort. So signs at least. We've gone from Grand finalists and challenge cup finalists, to 'It being a positive that we put in effort after having 48 points put on us at home.' I'm sure no other team or teams supporters would ever dream of saying this about their team. Salford fans need to stop accepting dross as the baseline, and demand a higher standard of judgement than 'we can compete for small periods of the season.' |
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Post by dentonred on Aug 28, 2021 20:41:01 GMT
For me its deeply concerning as 2 of the wins we have are against our former coach, so could argue that the players motivated themselves and made their own gameplan, and 1 was against Castlefords youth team. This means that we then have 2 wins against the rest of the league, 1 against newly promoted Leigh while the other was against a covid riddled Wakefield.
Many of the losses we have had we have never looked remotely like winning at all.
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Post by JJR on Aug 28, 2021 21:50:54 GMT
I think we have to be realistic with our expectations.Blease and Watson did wonders with getting players in each year and we regularly lose our best players, as will happen this year, and have to get another 10.
We will get years, as with Watson, where lots of teams are good and we make a wrong decision as per Littlejohn. Hastings and Lussick were brought in. Blease found him, took a chance and Marwan paid for him. Without him we could have been dead and buried. And now web
Ve cast Marwan aside so less money available
So we are in reality on a limited time frame in my view, when other teams are good and we don’t have the players nor have somebody with a few quid for emergencies to buy players.
Doesn’t matter whether it’s Marshall, Wane or whoever; we like all teams in all sports will get players injured pick up the wrong players, get the fixtures in the wrong order etc…just like Wigan this year, Leeds when they had to buy Lui.
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Post by stadge on Aug 28, 2021 22:52:44 GMT
I think we have to be realistic with our expectations.Blease and Watson did wonders with getting players in each year and we regularly lose our best players, as will happen this year, and have to get another 10. We will get years, as with Watson, where lots of teams are good and we make a wrong decision as per Littlejohn. Hastings and Lussick were brought in. Blease found him, took a chance and Marwan paid for him. Without him we could have been dead and buried. And now web Ve cast Marwan aside so less money available So we are in reality on a limited time frame in my view, when other teams are good and we don’t have the players nor have somebody with a few quid for emergencies to buy players. Doesn’t matter whether it’s Marshall, Wane or whoever; we like all teams in all sports will get players injured pick up the wrong players, get the fixtures in the wrong order etc…just like Wigan this year, Leeds when they had to buy Lui. Fans on Social Media and this Forum made out this was the best squad we have had at the start of the season. When one journalist predicted Salford would struggle and maybe be relegated he was ridiculed. I may get slaughtered for saying this but I sometimes think there is a core of Salford fans who are happy being little old Salford who bounce along at the bottom end of the table. As another post states we have gone from Super League and Challenge Cup finalists to acceptance of effort. This squad is not a bad one, maybe not the level of the last two seasons, particularly the Grand Final year, but it should be doing better than it is. |
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Post by john964 on Aug 29, 2021 8:25:28 GMT
I don't know! Mostly because I find this season so hard to judge with all the changes, injuries, suspensions, covid etc That's not excuses just a statement.
What does concern me though is the reliance the forum seems to be putting on size in our pack. No doubt one big forward would help, if fit and fast. I notice a few things in our play Marshall has introduced, (not that I totally agree with all of them), so I'm willing to see how he goes next year, but for me he must improve our fitness and speed. I think discipline will improve when we are fit enough to be in right place at the right time. Dissent to ref excluded, they are just stupid penalties, and should be punnished, that aspect must improve. Speed of thought and action, we simply seem to plod though games, with odd burst. The whole tempo of our game needs to improve, are we tired because not fit, or worn out from tackling, because of penalty count. Either way, I would like to see us run around them, or put through gaps with quick passing, rather than just trying to smash over the top of them with very big forwards (who unfortunately seem to be slow and lethargic). Don't get me wrong a big, fast barnstorming forward (BMM) I would love, but for me the emphasis should be Speed not size.
The term is go forward, not stand still like a big statue! Having 2/3/4 little blokes tackle one big one is no good, if play the ball is so slow all get back in position, so rightly emphasis on speed of play the ball. So we drop it, play it wrong, give penalty ( sarcasm).
I hope he turns it around, but not to winning by simply plodding though games, wearing opposition down by war of attrition with massive, slow monoliths creeping up the field in sets of six.
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as he`s now elsewhere)
