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Post by dixon13 on Aug 14, 2021 11:09:53 GMT
Yep, signed almost sealed and delivered. We’ve now got to look forward and get our own plan for development beyond Moor Lane. The demise of the Club will be if we see it as a permanent home. Hope we’ve got ambition as Salford City FC obviously have and we don’t just sit around waiting for someone to bale us out. What Salford City have done in the past few years is superb; ambition. We’re a Community SL Club from a proud city and we need a ground beyond Moor Lane which is an RL Championship ground at best. Temporary home it has to be but what is planned beyond that? Hope we have the ambition in the Club to achieve something beyond there. Or are we just accepting the inevitable? Yes what they have done is great,but they have done it with money behind them. I don't think we will ever leave Moor Lane once we are there.Its a leap into the dark for us and City we could have fans who will not go to the lane and they could have fans who will not go to Barton I think we could loose fans who use public transport. As for a plan the great Joe Louis always said everyone as a plan till they get it Hit. |
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Post by JJR on Aug 14, 2021 12:02:44 GMT
Attendance is key. I think Paul King came up with a stat at a previous meeting as reported here that we've only exceeded the 6000 barrier something like 5 times in the last 140 games. We can't make plans to develop to somewhere bigger, or expand Moor lane until we're regularly nudging capacity there. Frankly, we need to almost double our average attendance to fill Moor lane, so that has to be the first goal, and then we can talk about what next. Everything else is irrelevent until we're seeing at least 5k every game and a bunch of sellouts each season. This. Baby steps. We need to have a smooth transition first. Hopefully the club will make a big deal in the community about the move and ramp-up a little positive hype. We then build on that with better crowds. Easier said than done, I know, but I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be our first priority. No point looking too far ahead as the RFL change things so often we have no idea what the competition will look like even three years down the line let alone ten or more. We should be aiming for 5k as our priority, as you say. Agree Carnster but any stadium plan takes a long time to develop. So we need to plan from day1.., unless of course we see it as a permanent home |
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 14, 2021 12:37:09 GMT
This. Baby steps. We need to have a smooth transition first. Hopefully the club will make a big deal in the community about the move and ramp-up a little positive hype. We then build on that with better crowds. Easier said than done, I know, but I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be our first priority. No point looking too far ahead as the RFL change things so often we have no idea what the competition will look like even three years down the line let alone ten or more. We should be aiming for 5k as our priority, as you say. Agree Carnster but any stadium plan takes a long time to develop. So we need to plan from day1.., unless of course we see it as a permanent home JJR we have be realistic,its more than likely we will never move from Moor Lane. They are building houses on all spare land in Salford not new stadiums. Mr King can't promise anything we just go and see how it pans out,see what crowds we get. |
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Post by JJR on Aug 14, 2021 20:37:18 GMT
I love positive forward looking people. If you never plan you never achieve. Look at Salford FC. Planning takes years to create develop and find the opportunity.
So let’s stagnate in the Championship, it suits the mood.
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Post by kreuzbergred on Aug 14, 2021 21:00:14 GMT
Salford City FC ,Can't have been a massive attendance for their opening Home League Game today against Sutton Utd Who've just come up from the National league. Not sure without searching online where the Suttonites are from. Would they have got a bigger attendance if they were already playing at the AJ Bell ??
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 14, 2021 21:30:01 GMT
I love positive forward looking people. If you never plan you never achieve. Look at Salford FC. Planning takes years to create develop and find the opportunity. So let’s stagnate in the Championship, it suits the mood. The only plan on the table,is get people to Moor Lane.You tell me where there is land to build a new stadium in Salford even if we had a billionaire running the club.Salford City had two home league games so far and got less than 1500 at both games. |
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Post by JJR on Aug 15, 2021 6:14:04 GMT
I respect your views Dixon but let’s face it if Moor Lane is the limit of our ambition we’re heading towards rock bottom.. I’ve tried to be positive but the pitch is like Cas and Wakey, a dump. The ground will be the worst in SL, with the smallest capacity no training facilities and no admin block. In fact worse facilities than Leigh or Widnes. We’ve been outthought by an out of town RU club and a footy club with a following less than ours but both with ambition. We’re moving to a ground with a pitch worse than the Willows and smaller capacity, and out on a limb in the far reaches of the City.
We’ve done well in the past few years on the pitch due to the efforts mainly of Ian Blease and Watto and remember money from Marwan who bought Jackson and fundraising by the Supporters Trust for Joey when we were on the edge. But in a stadium, and we’re now moving to a ground.
Im not sure what the ambition or strategy of the Community Club Holding Co is, but if it’s to stay in survival mode as we have been doing but this time whilst at Moor Lane I can only see a gloomy future and probably in the Championship. The positives …we’ll we’ll be playing Leigh Widnes Oldham Rochdale, Swinton, all local derbies .
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Post by red54 on Aug 15, 2021 8:14:38 GMT
Moor Lane is all we can afford but unfortunately if we move there I won’t be going, no matter how much it’s dressed up it’s not fit for purpose.
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Post by Carnster on Aug 15, 2021 8:19:58 GMT
There's nothing wrong with ambition but it needs to be realistic. We're a club run on fumes at the moment. Money is so tight that the club has to penny-pinch every last pound. No big backer, no ground of its own. You can't expect the club to be making pie-in-the-sky plans for SL dominance, a brand new SL ground, packed attendances, and credible cash flow as it's being forced to move from its current ground to simply survive. In fact, if the club went down that line it would surely be the end for us.
Paul King and the rest of the passionate people behind the scenes are doing an impressive job of keeping our head above water at the moment. In reality we probably should have dropped out of SL and maybe existence a while ago. We have to learn to swim before anything else. Our ambition should be to make a viable SL club that can fund its own ambitions. Our focus should be on getting that great Salford public to actually care enough about our club to turn up.
Forget about the lofty ambitions for now. We need to survive before we can think of getting strong. Once that financial security kicks in, then is the time to be looking beyond. Getting those mythical fans in is what we need and nothing else at this point.
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Post by JJR on Aug 15, 2021 8:24:55 GMT
Ambition and reality are interchangeable words Carnster. Ambition is not pie in the sky. Every viable business has ambition and a strategy to achieve that ambition.
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Post by lhred on Aug 15, 2021 8:57:20 GMT
Outthought why have we got 15million to buy the ground?! I know for a fact that Paul and Ian have spoken to nearly all businesses in the area big and small for help there is no interest in rugby league! They have ambition but without money what happens? There is no land in salford for a new ground the council have told them that so where do we go? Yes there is no training facilities that's why there talking about Carrington at the moment where Bury used to train what more can they do? It's easy sat on here typing!
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Post by redunderthebed on Aug 15, 2021 9:23:27 GMT
I agree there is lots of ambition. You can see that in the plans for an academy and how they’ve improved engagement with the community clubs. Had u15s and 16s games against Huddersfield and Bradford recently. When was the last time that was done?
They have loads of plans and lots of ambition. The thing they don’t have is money to realise those things
However I am really worried about the move to Moor Lane. Not so much the ground itself or the location (but not very keen on the either). I think the match day experience will be better there if we retain the companies selling the food and drink. But it’s a tiny ground with poor seating and shallow stands. It looks like a massive lack of ambition (whether it is or not). Sponsors will be harder to get with no real corporate experience. It is our only choice and we have to make the best of it but we shouldn’t kid ourselves that it doesn’t make securing our future a damn sight harder
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Post by Carnster on Aug 15, 2021 9:47:23 GMT
Ambition and reality are interchangeable words Carnster. Ambition is not pie in the sky. Every viable business has ambition and a strategy to achieve that ambition. They're really not. It's realistic, ambitious and sensible to have a plan, but that plan needs to be tempered in reality. |
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Post by JJR on Aug 15, 2021 10:10:33 GMT
Pointless C.
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Post by gadger on Aug 15, 2021 10:46:53 GMT
It’s pointless to have realistic ambition? I don’t understand your thinking. I agree we need to have a plan, something to aim for, but it needs to be realistic surely? As has already been said, first thing we need to aim for is actually filling the ground on a regular basis, once that’s happening we can aim higher. Right now that’s seems a bit of a pipe dream so let’s take baby steps That’s not to say we shouldn’t want more, but unless we magically come in to a lot of money it’s going to take time A friend was at Hull KR on Friday and said they had put on a proper night, it was like a festival atmosphere with street food stalls, a massive bar, music, this is what we should be looking to do. To get new fans in it has to be more than just the rugby, it needs to be an event. |
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