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Post by bonitared on Jun 12, 2021 21:37:45 GMT
[br Totally respect that view Russ. Something must change and if it’s not the coach then what else? Bonitared we don't need a philadelphia lawyer to tell us something needs to change But surely their is more chance to alter the situation we are in doing something,than doing nothing.We can't afford to let it go on for another six games before we act.If we do we could be relegated by then.I just can't work that one out give him another six games.If I am missing something I would like someone to tell me what it is. I think we’re saying the same thing He has to go NOW |
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Post by earlybath on Jun 13, 2021 7:38:38 GMT
Bonita - Garden Leave helps cash flow - which I am sure you know.
Too many living in Cloud Cuckoo land on here.
The first thing to do is to immediately move Tui on - to Giants - with hopefully someone (or three) decent coming the other way. He is undoubtedly the root of the problem as was shown by his `couldn`t care less` approach on Friday.
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Post by bonitared on Jun 13, 2021 7:43:46 GMT
Bonita - Garden Leave helps cash flow - which I am sure you know. Too many living in Cloud Cuckoo land on here. The first thing to do is to immediately move Tui on - to Giants - with hopefully someone (or three) decent coming the other way. He is undoubtedly the root of the problem as was shown by his `couldn`t care less` approach on Friday. Indeed it does,provided his contract says they can,but that’s a subject for a different day .🥴🥴👍 Totally agree that we need to move on Tui and Huddersfield will know that that won’t happen unless they offer a suitable replacement as Leeds did when Rob Lui joined them. Ironic,isn’t it ? |
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Post by salford1961 on Jun 13, 2021 8:37:34 GMT
We are now about a third of the way into the season after having an extended pre-season and from a supporters perspective I would have expected to be in a far better position as a team. After watching all the games this year here are some thoughts, some of which the coaches have no control over, some they do.
• Attack – No Structure, bunching in the middle and far too flat when we do put on a play
• Defence – Very poor compared to the last few years. Not slowing the play the ball down hence always on the back foot and conceding yards. Far too often, not taking the legs to prevent further yardage.
• Kicking, very one dimensional, Tui Kicking it as far as he can high in the air which normally finds a defender. Attacking kicks, normally too long to contest the ball. Exception, Tui’s kick for Ken Sio against HKR
• Injuries, been very unlucky this year with about 7 out most weeks
• Players playing out of position, eg Sarge is never a fullback and weakens our centre’s when at fullback.
• Player rotation, even allowing for the injuries, we have players moved to different positions and not allowing the team to gel
• Team spirit doesn’t appear to be there
• Lack of fight when things get tougher
• Some refereeing calls going against us
• Lack of discipline
• No leadership
• Desperately need an organising Scrum half and a starting hooker to move us forward
Our defence is as poor as I've seen it in years and the attack is as bad as the Sean Macrae era
Something needs to change or we will be relegated
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Post by JJR on Jun 13, 2021 9:08:39 GMT
And a few players not interested
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Post by dixon13 on Jun 13, 2021 9:49:06 GMT
Relaxed. We’ll have a new coach by then Only if Mr King receives a loan from MK. Surprised that you have the dagger so deeply entrenched when you know the financial state. I would give him an ultimatum myself - say 6 games to turn it round then if he won`t resign put him on Gardening Leave. Early Bath. If we as a club are in a position where we can't change the coach,we might as well fold now.I can't for the life of me get my head round this give him another six games,Mr Marshall and some of the players are getting us relegated.The way you are talking Marshall as got the best job in the world because he is fire proof.six games we haven't got six minutes.just my opinion. |
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Post by earlybath on Jun 13, 2021 12:11:38 GMT
Dixon I am a Realist. I am Pragmatic. To fire the Coaching staff would cost us maybe £300k. Do you have this available?
Garden leave would mean we just pay him his monthly salary which we could possibly afford! The six match target would I feel either weaken his resolve or we would see a marked upturn. If the former then I feel he would walk without compensation.
The players though are a different matter. Tui needs shifting immediately and Bleasey has to find a way. We cannot have another Coley situation which we saw on Friday.
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Post by osrd on Jun 13, 2021 12:23:31 GMT
Only if Mr King receives a loan from MK. Surprised that you have the dagger so deeply entrenched when you know the financial state. I would give him an ultimatum myself - say 6 games to turn it round then if he won`t resign put him on Gardening Leave. Early Bath. If we as a club are in a position where we can't change the coach,we might as well fold now.I can't for the life of me get my head round this give him another six games,Mr Marshall and some of the players are getting us relegated.The way you are talking Marshall as got the best job in the world because he is fire proof.six games we haven't got six minutes.just my opinion. Hi Dixon, we could get rid of the coach, coaching staff, but couldn’t possibly afford to pay everyone off at this point in time. The last few performances have certainly not been up to standard, certainly from some of our key, possibly better paid players and we need to sort out the problems within the squad soon. |
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Post by Carnster on Jun 13, 2021 12:52:16 GMT
Early Bath. If we as a club are in a position where we can't change the coach,we might as well fold now.I can't for the life of me get my head round this give him another six games,Mr Marshall and some of the players are getting us relegated.The way you are talking Marshall as got the best job in the world because he is fire proof.six games we haven't got six minutes.just my opinion. Hi Dixon, we could get rid of the coach, coaching staff, but couldn’t possibly afford to pay everyone off at this point in time. The last few performances have certainly not been up to standard, certainly from some of our key, possibly better paid players and we need to sort out the problems within the squad soon. If you are saying we are stuck regardless then the club deserves everything it's gonna get. If they honestly put all their eggs in one basket they are simply not up to it. The basket has a great yawning hole in it. What if the problems in the squad are caused by our coaching? What then? There isn't any easy answer, but action of some sort is required as sitting in the same puddle of mud since the season started isn't going to cut it. Where do we go when nothing changes? |
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Post by earlybath on Jun 13, 2021 13:08:47 GMT
Yes we are stuck - at the moment on the Coaching side unless PK receives some financial input BUT the players are a different matter. As suggested Tui is #1 on my list to go. Maybe loan exchange with Rangi @ West Wales Raiders?  |
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Post by bonitared on Jun 13, 2021 13:43:08 GMT
I’m with Carnster on this.
We can’t retain the coach for financial reasons ffs.
We’ve no idea what his contract says but Blease is too streetwise not to have a Plan B.
We have some decent players and the coach isn’t getting the best out of them.
Do the maths. Coaching team 3,players 30.
Which is easier to change.
Whatever we decide to do , let’s not not do it for financial reasons unless that relates to the calamity which will occur if we’re relegated
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Post by earlybath on Jun 13, 2021 14:59:45 GMT
I always thought you were reasonably astute Bonita. Cannot fathom your thinking here unless you have a wealthy backer in mind.
Ive been trying to find alternatives for Tui - the York #6 is steady, Holmes @ Fev, Halifax`s Robinson, Sammut, maybe Lui on loan as he tests his injury, so for me its Tui for Gaskell/Sezer as both out of contract too at the end of the season.
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Post by russ on Jun 13, 2021 15:16:54 GMT
I'm not sure a change of coach will help, the number of disasters and problems is something I don't think I've ever witnessed. [br Totally respect that view Russ. Something must change and if it’s not the coach then what else? It's true that a change is needed. As you know I was among the first to worry the signs shown early doors. And it's not as if we're not used to drama during a season either but this is something else entirely.
What other coach available right now could change this team around? I saw some of the raves from the grave and blasts from the past on the other thread and when I'd stopped laughing I hoped none of them were serious suggestions and I'd missed the point completely.
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Post by JJR on Jun 13, 2021 15:35:53 GMT
Think the start would be to get Blease Brown Mossop and Rowley speaking with those who don't seem to be bothered in order to find what the problems are. Try and get them back on track. Coach and some players might have issues
I think Rowley could also work with Patton on a one to one to help him move from half back to hooker. He's not untalented but seems lost. Unless Tui is a lost cause and he can be one of the half backs temporarily.
Strange at the start of the Hull match we were on top until Kendall's odd decision which seemed to knock the heart out of us. And I'm not sure what you do with Escare; could he play half back?
If it's a change of coach, Rowley could do a fantastic job for a couple of months. None better placed.
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Post by dixon13 on Jun 13, 2021 15:54:13 GMT
Then I will just say again.
Mr Marshall as got the best job in Super League.He is fire proof.What a position for him to be in. Surely then you must question the business acumen of the people running the club,that they have allowed a situation to arise where they can't change something that needs changing and quick.
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