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Cas
May 9, 2021 17:47:13 GMT
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Post by woody74 on May 9, 2021 17:47:13 GMT
I don’t think that there is any doubt that Brown got the ball down before he was ‘held up’. The problem is that the video ref (think it was James Child again!) saw a phantom hand under the ball. That’s why he didn’t look at it again. It’s like the non double movement that Saints scored against us in the last minute to win the game a few years ago. And does anyone remember that try also against Cas in the cup a few years ago when the video ref said that there was nothing to overturn the on field decision of a try for Cas. Jiffy correctly said ‘nothing except the ball clearly never touched the ground’. Time for the video ref to be ditched I think. Liam Moore was the video ref. Was it me or did he seem to rush his decisions on what seemed like some pretty tight calls? Compare him to Thaler who is very thorough when in the box, I just thought he was rather keen to go with the on field decision.
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Post by Carnster on May 9, 2021 18:23:02 GMT
I don’t think that there is any doubt that Brown got the ball down before he was ‘held up’. The problem is that the video ref (think it was James Child again!) saw a phantom hand under the ball. That’s why he didn’t look at it again. It’s like the non double movement that Saints scored against us in the last minute to win the game a few years ago. And does anyone remember that try also against Cas in the cup a few years ago when the video ref said that there was nothing to overturn the on field decision of a try for Cas. Jiffy correctly said ‘nothing except the ball clearly never touched the ground’. Time for the video ref to be ditched I think. Liam Moore was the video ref. Was it me or did he seem to rush his decisions on what seemed like some pretty tight calls? Compare him to Thaler who is very thorough when in the box, I just thought he was rather keen to go with the on field decision. He did seem to want to be quicker in making the decisions. He may have had a remit to make quicker decisions, or he may have decided himself to want to make more decisive action when reviewing. To be honest I would have preferred thorough rather than quick.
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Cas
May 9, 2021 19:46:56 GMT
Post by JJR on May 9, 2021 19:46:56 GMT
It amazes me how good RU is and how v v poor we are. Watched a match today, video ref really thorough throughout and to me all decisions right inc an off the ball sending off and forward passes to overrule tries. Mind you their refs and NRL refs start st a different level Thaler excellent but the others seem to fiddle with the small easy decisions and miss the one thing that really niggles me 'offside at the ptb'
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Cas
May 10, 2021 15:42:35 GMT
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Post by kilop on May 10, 2021 15:42:35 GMT
I have had a couple of days to think, but am still a bit baffled by the match and reaction from some areas to be honest who think it was a great match and performance. I wasn't overly impressed and still think it was a boring game with two poor teams and limited quality. Mcshane was the only quality player on the pitch, and my word he is some player, whose skill and guile always caused problems. I guess it showed some improvement from us, but it's still a hell of a long way off being a decent rugby team. I did however think we looked better defensively, especially the first 10 minutes which was a hell of an effort. But then we completely lack ball control which resulted in a 72% completion rate for the 1st half which is dross. Two last grumbles 1) Sarge- shocking again. To early kncok ons from the starts and one of the worst PTB passes over bowns head I've ever seen. He needs moving as this rediculousness of playing at FB is a shocking decision and he looks half the player from last season 2) we have an international centre in Watkins who may not be setting the world on fire at the moment attacking wise, but it would help if we actually gave him some ball!!! Sorry to be so negative but it's still not good enough. I'm not expecting us to be as good as last two seasons and it was an improvement but it needs to be a steeper curve up. I can't see much from the next 3 matches and I think then dependant on performances and other results Marshall position comes into question
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Cas
May 10, 2021 16:32:30 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on May 10, 2021 16:32:30 GMT
I have had a couple of days to think, but am still a bit baffled by the match and reaction from some areas to be honest who think it was a great match and performance. I wasn't overly impressed and still think it was a boring game with two poor teams and limited quality. Mcshane was the only quality player on the pitch, and my word he is some player, whose skill and guile always caused problems. I guess it showed some improvement from us, but it's still a hell of a long way off being a decent rugby team. I did however think we looked better defensively, especially the first 10 minutes which was a hell of an effort. But then we completely lack ball control which resulted in a 72% completion rate for the 1st half which is dross. Two last grumbles 1) Sarge- shocking again. To early kncok ons from the starts and one of the worst PTB passes over bowns head I've ever seen. He needs moving as this rediculousness of playing at FB is a shocking decision and he looks half the player from last season 2) we have an international centre in Watkins who may not be setting the world on fire at the moment attacking wise, but it would help if we actually gave him some ball!!! Sorry to be so negative but it's still not good enough. I'm not expecting us to be as good as last two seasons and it was an improvement but it needs to be a steeper curve up. I can't see much from the next 3 matches and I think then dependant on performances and other results Marshall position comes into question That's what the forum is for People opinion.👍
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Cas
May 11, 2021 9:32:52 GMT
Post by JJR on May 11, 2021 9:32:52 GMT
So the next thing RM wants to tighten up on; periods just before and after half time
And states that others will get a chance at fb , Sarge improving in that he's catching the ball solidly but coming into the line and passing poor as is some of his covering...why, because he's learning the job We seem to be really missing that flow on attack near the line as GOB and Evalds perfected, but I suppose it takes time. 4 matches for the team before the real judgement for me tho.
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Post by bonitared on May 11, 2021 10:08:01 GMT
‘Others will get a chance at full back’ Is it me ? Isn’t is about time he became close to having a settled team ? In fairness,there’s been a vast improvement but it’s not his project I want to see,it’s results on the pitch. I’m harsh in the light of a golden point defeat but that opening phrase just wound me up.
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May 11, 2021 11:02:31 GMT
Post by stadge on May 11, 2021 11:02:31 GMT
So the next thing RM wants to tighten up on; periods just before and after half time And states that others will get a chance at fb , Sarge improving in that he's catching the ball solidly but coming into the line and passing poor as is some of his covering...why, because he's learning the job We seem to be really missing that flow on attack near the line as GOB and Evalds perfected, but I suppose it takes time. 4 matches for the team before the real judgement for me tho. The worrying point in his comments was that he said that it was maybe his fault. The messages are not getting across. With the friendly against Wigan we have now played eight games and Marshall has had the players since December. Surely, there should be signs of cohesion and doing the right things by now. My take on the unforced errors and discipline issues are that they are down to players who are struggling to stay in games. That comes from either bad coaching and / or fitness. We were improved against Castleford in that we stayed in the game, but I thought Cas were poor themselves. To me Marshall comes across as a tick box Coach. Like many in the "corporate world" he says all the right things even when they know things are bad. We have been spoilt in the last couple of seasons and with the upheaval caused by Watson's departure I expected that it might not be ideal in these opening weeks. However, I expected more. Prior to the season, fans on here and on social media were saying this is the best squad we have had in years. A journalist picked us for relegation in the pre-season predictions saying he did not feel the Marshsall / Orr coaching set up felt right and he was largely derided on social media. It's is still early days and the next three of four fixtures do not look promising. However, we must see tangible improvement in those games, even if they are not won, for me to be convinced of Marshall. As a Salford fan since 1973, I really do hope he proves me wrong.
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May 11, 2021 11:09:16 GMT
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Post by kilop on May 11, 2021 11:09:16 GMT
So the next thing RM wants to tighten up on; periods just before and after half time And states that others will get a chance at fb , Sarge improving in that he's catching the ball solidly but coming into the line and passing poor as is some of his covering...why, because he's learning the job We seem to be really missing that flow on attack near the line as GOB and Evalds perfected, but I suppose it takes time. 4 matches for the team before the real judgement for me tho. The worrying point in his comments was that he said that it was maybe his fault. The messages are not getting across. With the friendly against Wigan we have now played eight games and Marshall has had the players since December. Surely, there should be signs of cohesion and doing the right things by now. My take on the unforced errors and discipline issues are that they are down to players who are struggling to stay in games. That comes from either bad coaching and / or fitness. We were improved against Castleford in that we stayed in the game, but I thought Cas were poor themselves. To me Marshall comes across as a tick box Coach. Like many in the "corporate world" he says all the right things even when they know things are bad. We have been spoilt in the last couple of seasons and with the upheaval caused by Watson's departure I expected that it might not be ideal in these opening weeks. However, I expected more. Prior to the season, fans on here and on social media were saying this is the best squad we have had in years. A journalist picked us for relegation in the pre-season predictions saying he did not feel the Marshsall / Orr coaching set up felt right and he was largely derided on social media. It's is still early days and the next three of four fixtures do not look promising. However, we must see tangible improvement in those games, even if they are not won, for me to be convinced of Marshall. As a Salford fan since 1973, I really do hope he proves me wrong. Spot on!
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May 11, 2021 11:33:38 GMT
Post by JJR on May 11, 2021 11:33:38 GMT
Remember last season lots of defeats then Evalds a fortunate interception near our line and Brown a lovely try to settle it but we were generally awful before that.
This year Marshall hasn't chosen any of the team and we have 10? new players again. The hooker and full back been a constant problem with injury /suspension., so the spine has suffered and consequently our near the line attack isn't functioning.
We're improving and at least he seems to be open with things. He's rotating his forwards as he said he would and our international back line hasn't played together yet. The 2 teams who have been really poor Wakefield and Leeds aren't yet on the horizon so just enjoy the fact that we can get into the Stadium soon and have a really good moan
i do think we lack a pack leader. Taylor?? But 18-18 against a well drilled Cas team is ok.
I think the time to judge is in about 4 matches. Then I'll have run out of excuses.
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Post by dixon13 on May 11, 2021 16:12:25 GMT
It looks like the majority of the forum are writing the next three game off.I can go along with that.Surely after that if we have the most of the squad available then Richard Marshall should surely know what pegs go in what hole Because as it stands at the moment if someone offered me eleventh. I would take it.
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Post by bonitared on May 11, 2021 16:26:31 GMT
It looks like the majority of the forum are writing the next three game off.I can go along with that.Surely after that if we have the most of the squad available then Richard Marshall should surely know what pegs go in what hole Because as it stands at the moment if someone offered me eleventh. I would take it. We’re better than that ,or at least we should be. I was optimistic after the Cas game but when he said he’d give someone else a go at full back it threw me. We’ve seen Kear who was ok,Escaré who I personally think should be given another chance(sorry Steve) and Sarge who is wasted there. Thats it. Of course,others can play full back,like Tui.but it’s a bit bloody late to start experimenting. Its make your mind up time,no time for rehearsals
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May 11, 2021 19:53:44 GMT
Post by Carnster on May 11, 2021 19:53:44 GMT
It looks like the majority of the forum are writing the next three game off.I can go along with that.Surely after that if we have the most of the squad available then Richard Marshall should surely know what pegs go in what hole Because as it stands at the moment if someone offered me eleventh. I would take it. You pretty much sum what I think up.
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Cas
May 11, 2021 21:05:57 GMT
Post by JJR on May 11, 2021 21:05:57 GMT
We're getting better each week so let's see how the next 3 tough matches go and look forward to not listening to the Chuckle Brothers (or as I do now watch with the sound off) and be sitting there and moaning with the rest of you.
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Cas
May 12, 2021 11:51:33 GMT
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Post by andyjc7 on May 12, 2021 11:51:33 GMT
You’ve got to hope RM is close to knowing his first 13 at this point
We’ve got a few wingers although Burgess is injured , we’ve got 4 out and out centres then people like Livett who can step in
4 half backs , plenty of forwards but only 1 proper 9
We can’t keep tinkering , even if we get beat you need the players to be given a run and confidence that you won’t get dropped after each ropey match
I get he didn’t sign them all but people like Watkins , Sarge , Burgess are proven quality but you still need to build a relationship with your other players such as Watkins need to understand his winger , his second row plus full back so keep moving people around doesn’t help anyone
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