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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 12:23:02 GMT
No, that sadly outdated concept called common sense. I will go along with your comments 100%.But common sense should start right at the top everybody should be using common sense. They tighend the lockdown in places, but the pubs are still open.Not much common sense their. I try to do what I am told, I go in a super market their are people doing what they want. We all know why the areas that are having problems are having problems and the reasons behind the problems, just if you state the bleeding obvious the race card comes out. Why we haven't said that Catalans must play here is crazy, each and every time a team flies in and out of the country you greatly increase the likelihood of infection and further disruption. |
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Post by salfordlad1 on Aug 23, 2020 16:36:53 GMT
On a side note, despite our Grand Final being the most televised Super League game ever and the broadcast figures looking strong and growing. It does appear we're heading for a worse TV deal from 2022 onwards, surely by now the governing body has realised they need to create competition with the broadcasters and allow the Championship the opportunity to negotiate their own TV deal? Of course they know and that’s what they’ve been trying to do. Its a bit like selling your car,you want to generate interest but if it’s not there,then it’s not there. Honestly? When have they ever sat around the table with BT, Amazon, ITV, Channel 4, Facebook etc? Who is leading the discussions and managing relationships with these companies? Has this been documented anywhere? - I've not seen anything. Can anyone share a link? The way the last TV deal was agreed was questionable to say the least and certainly raised some eye brows around the world of Rugby League. The SL clubs were offered £300k to sign the deal within two weeks and I don't believe they managed to increase revenues from Sky. Gun to the head comes to mind. Why wasn't this put out to tender and sent to all the broadcasters for them to bid separately and make offers? We could potentially have two SL broadcasters like the Premier League, why has this not been considered? - There is no doubt in my mind that we could get more money from the broadcasters for televising Rugby League in this country, and ultimately it's the very thing that's held us back. Imagine how much more sustainable SL clubs would be if every club received another £1m per season? Sounds like a lot but what's £12m per year to Sky, about 10-15,000 subscribers? Could you imagine how much more effective we would be at growing the game if everything club was getting that extra £1m per season? |
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Post by salfordlad1 on Aug 23, 2020 16:38:59 GMT
Of course they know and that’s what they’ve been trying to do. Its a bit like selling your car,you want to generate interest but if it’s not there,then it’s not there. I think that's right but if you sell your car as the most reliable, comfortable, easily maintained, low petrol consupmtion model or an old banger you're fed up with makes a huge difference. However, the real problem is not the sport but the media outlook, change of emphasis and economic situation at the time.
The figures for RL compare very favourably with other sports generally and this shows waht a great product it is because its media profile is tiny and does not rellate to the attractiveness or popularity of the game.
Unfortunately, that has more to do with the fact that the vast majority of the media are based in London and a privately educated and therefore have zero interest in Rugby League. Hopefully with the growth of Media City that will improve over time. |
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Post by salfordlad1 on Aug 23, 2020 16:40:56 GMT
If Catalan win I assume the RL will be fair and play the QF on a neutral ground and not Catalans ground. The BBC Commentator Dave Woods just mentioned it costs Catalan £50'000 a match To bring the team over for the day. There not under obligation to do that So maybe the game will have to be played in France. Jesus that's expensive, I can't believe it's that much they're only getting a 2 hour flight there and back on the day and paying for a coach. I don't for one second think they're paying £50k per game. If they are is a very bad deal! |
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Post by kreuzbergred on Aug 23, 2020 17:01:34 GMT
It's a Chartered Aircraft And they Aren't cheap, they Spend a few hours in a Hotel in the morning Which they have to pay a night rate , They Store a Set Of equipment Playing kit etc at a self storage place over here,To save a few Euros. . They used to Rent the Plane from a Catalan directors Company But now use a Aircraft from a Romanian Airline (27 year old Fokker ) Rather them than me.
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Post by bonitared on Aug 23, 2020 17:40:22 GMT
Of course they know and that’s what they’ve been trying to do. Its a bit like selling your car,you want to generate interest but if it’s not there,then it’s not there. Honestly? When have they ever sat around the table with BT, Amazon, ITV, Channel 4, Facebook etc? Who is leading the discussions and managing relationships with these companies? Has this been documented anywhere? - I've not seen anything. Can anyone share a link? The way the last TV deal was agreed was questionable to say the least and certainly raised some eye brows around the world of Rugby League. The SL clubs were offered £300k to sign the deal within two weeks and I don't believe they managed to increase revenues from Sky. Gun to the head comes to mind. Why wasn't this put out to tender and sent to all the broadcasters for them to bid separately and make offers? We could potentially have two SL broadcasters like the Premier League, why has this not been considered? - There is no doubt in my mind that we could get more money from the broadcasters for televising Rugby League in this country, and ultimately it's the very thing that's held us back. Imagine how much more sustainable SL clubs would be if every club received another £1m per season? Sounds like a lot but what's £12m per year to Sky, about 10-15,000 subscribers? Sorry,mate,I don’t agree. Elstone has experience of Premier League deals,they have advisors on sports rights ,so it’s fair to assume they have a better idea of what’s out there than I do. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 18:11:58 GMT
I'd love to know if the BBC would ever show interest in showing a game live each weekend.
Sky have been good for the game but increasingly you see that RL has less and less importance to them.
The sad fact is there are so few broadcasting options, what we need is a new company who are looking for a major sport to make there big focus.
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Post by salfordlad1 on Aug 23, 2020 19:01:21 GMT
It's a Chartered Aircraft And they Aren't cheap, they Spend a few hours in a Hotel in the morning Which they have to pay a night rate , They Store a Set Of equipment Playing kit etc at a self storage place over here,To save a few Euros. . They used to Rent the Plane from a Catalan directors Company But now use a Aircraft from a Romanian Airline (27 year old Fokker ) Rather them than me. Appreciate all of the above, running a sports team isn't cheap but £50k for 19 players, coaching and medical staff and a few directors to come to and from France for a day. I'm sorry but I don't believe for one second that this costs £50k. £200/£250k per month, it'd be cheaper to move all the staff and their families to Manchester for the rest of the year. Additionally, when Catalan played Wakefield last week the Sky commentators said they flew into Liverpool and went straight to the TW Stadium and they were there 4 hours before kick off. Definitely some false informed being thrown around on this thread. |
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Post by salfordlad1 on Aug 23, 2020 19:32:00 GMT
Honestly? When have they ever sat around the table with BT, Amazon, ITV, Channel 4, Facebook etc? Who is leading the discussions and managing relationships with these companies? Has this been documented anywhere? - I've not seen anything. Can anyone share a link? The way the last TV deal was agreed was questionable to say the least and certainly raised some eye brows around the world of Rugby League. The SL clubs were offered £300k to sign the deal within two weeks and I don't believe they managed to increase revenues from Sky. Gun to the head comes to mind. Why wasn't this put out to tender and sent to all the broadcasters for them to bid separately and make offers? We could potentially have two SL broadcasters like the Premier League, why has this not been considered? - There is no doubt in my mind that we could get more money from the broadcasters for televising Rugby League in this country, and ultimately it's the very thing that's held us back. Imagine how much more sustainable SL clubs would be if every club received another £1m per season? Sounds like a lot but what's £12m per year to Sky, about 10-15,000 subscribers? Sorry,mate,I don’t agree. Elstone has experience of Premier League deals,they have advisors on sports rights ,so it’s fair to assume they have a better idea of what’s out there than I do. Well where is the evidence that states otherwise? All we can go off is the last TV deal which was not organised in a formal, structured and competitive way to maximise revenues. This is why it was massively critised at the time by the majority of Super League owners and ultimately led to Super League spitting off from The RFL. Moving forward a few years, I agree Elstone coming in as the former CEO of a decent Premier League club is absolutely a good thing for the Sport and there's been some notable improvements around the game. However, if Robert fails to deliver a better broadcasting deal he will be seen as a failure. Pandemic or not, there is no doubt in my mind that Super League should receive more money from TV when the new deal comes into play. Could you imagine how many people would cancel their Sky Sports subscriptions if they stopped showing Rugby League? |
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Post by salfordlad1 on Aug 23, 2020 19:45:40 GMT
I'd love to know if the BBC would ever show interest in showing a game live each weekend. Sky have been good for the game but increasingly you see that RL has less and less importance to them. The sad fact is there are so few broadcasting options, what we need is a new company who are looking for a major sport to make there big focus. Surely the BBC can throw some money Super League's way, after all they're paying Gary Lineker millions every year, they probably pay him more than they contribute to Rugby League. Do you honestly believe there aren't many options available? I think there's more now than ever with the likes of Amazon & Facebook in the mix to add to ITV, C4, Sky, BBC etc. I have absolutely no doubt Super League could create come competition for a new deal if done in the right way. |
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Post by kreuzbergred on Aug 23, 2020 20:03:06 GMT
It's a Chartered Aircraft And they Aren't cheap, they Spend a few hours in a Hotel in the morning Which they have to pay a night rate , They Store a Set Of equipment Playing kit etc at a self storage place over here,To save a few Euros. . They used to Rent the Plane from a Catalan directors Company But now use a Aircraft from a Romanian Airline (27 year old Fokker ) Rather them than me. Appreciate all of the above, running a sports team isn't cheap but £50k for 19 players, coaching and medical staff and a few directors to come to and from France for a day. I'm sorry but I don't believe for one second that this costs £50k. £200/£250k per month, it'd be cheaper to move all the staff and their families to Manchester for the rest of the year. Additionally, when Catalan played Wakefield last week the Sky commentators said they flew into Liverpool and went straight to the TW Stadium and they were there 4 hours before kick off. Definitely some false informed being thrown around on this thread. That's what Dave Woods who was doing the Commentary on Catalan v Wakefield on Saturday afternoon while the Camera was on the Cats Owner Bernard Guasch, Even if he ment 50000 euros it's still around £45000. |
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Post by salfordlad1 on Aug 23, 2020 20:08:32 GMT
Appreciate all of the above, running a sports team isn't cheap but £50k for 19 players, coaching and medical staff and a few directors to come to and from France for a day. I'm sorry but I don't believe for one second that this costs £50k. £200/£250k per month, it'd be cheaper to move all the staff and their families to Manchester for the rest of the year. Additionally, when Catalan played Wakefield last week the Sky commentators said they flew into Liverpool and went straight to the TW Stadium and they were there 4 hours before kick off. Definitely some false informed being thrown around on this thread. That's what Dave Woods who was doing the Commentary on Catalan v Wakefield on Saturday afternoon while the Camera was on the Cats Owner Bernard Guasch, Even if he ment 50000 euros it's still around £45000. Mental, absolutely mental costs for a day trip to England from the South of France for 30 blokes. £200k per month with no venue from tickets, where the hell are they getting the money from? - I still don't believe it's £50k, whether Dave Woods said it or not. |
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Post by bonitared on Aug 23, 2020 21:59:27 GMT
There is a point where we have to accept that Dave Woods is better connected than we are and therefore,even if you think it’s extortionate,it is what it is.
Similarly,and coming back to my analogy of selling a car,just because we think the tv rights should be worth more,they’re only worth what someone will pay.
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Post by russ on Aug 24, 2020 6:29:32 GMT
You also have to have a sense of your own value and the game does have viewing figures (advertsing revenue) value far beyond its footprint geographically and in media terms. That is TV's bottom line.
And, of course, the recession (depression) will signal huge effects on every sport.
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Post by JJR on Aug 25, 2020 20:55:23 GMT
All change. 3 Catalan players have positive tests.
Trip to France off then😉
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