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Post by salfordlad1 on Aug 21, 2020 19:38:34 GMT
TWP present owners/bosses sounding positive, I like Fev but I'm really hoping RL keeps TWP in SL. Me too, as a pro expansionist RL supporter Toronto need to stay in Super League. I really want to get over there for the game-day experience at Lamport too. The only way the game will grow and reach it's full potential is with presence in North America and bigger broadcasting deal. New markets could help us achieve that. I do feel if they're to come back in they should be given a fair share of central funding. I don't see how any club could be sustainable without a fair share of the Sky money. I also fear without it they will struggle to find investors and that could prove to be the end of TWP. |
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Post by JJR on Aug 22, 2020 7:27:26 GMT
To me we seem to be wasting too much effort into these type of ventures and the result is mostly failure, bad publicity and striving to stop the inevitable.
Let's put our efforts first into getting the game right in the North, by putting our efforts into creating ways of more kids playing, better amateur teams, getting the hotbeds of Widnes, Oldham etc great again and supporting expansion in Newcastle, York, Sheffield etc before we spend all out energies in N America. France should also have a vision for national RLand a European amateur League helped but America with one off teams seems nice for a visit and then is just a massive headache. If America is going to develop do it by a national sevens league or similar, not a team in SL
I wonder how much time is being wasted on the shambles of Toronto which should be put onto the Sky deal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 8:14:51 GMT
Something I don't follow with Catalans and potentially any North American teams is if they get central funding does any income from TV deals they strike get put into the pot too?
Seems lopsided if they get the best of both worlds.
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Post by russ on Aug 22, 2020 12:51:27 GMT
Something I don't follow with Catalans and potentially any North American teams is if they get central funding does any income from TV deals they strike get put into the pot too? Seems lopsided if they get the best of both worlds. I'm pretty sure they don't get central funding, and they remain invited guests rather than full members. I think this was why Perez came into it the second time by buying a membership for Ottawa.
It's not just feeling like an outsider it's having no say or influence over decisions even when you're affected by them.
Covid as a cause of failure is not the same as previous expansion closures.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 18:54:08 GMT
Just read that there are 3 interested parties and 1 is in pole position.
They were involved at the get go with Toronto apparently, don't know why but there is a whiff of frying pans and fires about things.
Something that occurred to me is there is mention of there is a new pay day next week and they will miss it, why?
The current owner is a multi Millionaire, if he can't cover wages he shouldn't have been in charge in the first place.
Have long said any new backers/owners should be made to lodge a bond with an independent authority incase things go nipples north.
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Post by JJR on Aug 25, 2020 19:22:11 GMT
Agree MR Think the issue is that the RL see this as international exposure, a sort of saviour of the game and it appears that they're so keen to make it happen that instead of doing full in depth due diligence they're trying to find ways to make it happen. Which will probably end in tears with lots more egg on lots more faces Get the game right here, develop the UK and France and help,develop an American and European League slowly but in a way that'll yield results. Let's face it, they've tried it, it's failed and yes everybody wants to go to Toronto now, but in 5 years  |
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Post by kreuzbergred on Aug 25, 2020 20:05:40 GMT
So Let's start First with Trying to develop The game in Cumbria, Let's get a Combined Team
Unfortunately its Never going to
Happen Whitehaven fans are nether going to travel 45 miles As well as Barrow & Workington folk won't do the journey Week in Week out to Marra Land. It's been like that since the Northern Union Union came into existence 125 years this week !!
Concentrate on The well established Areas,
South of France Played there since the 1870s /1880s And if a Team or Two in North America Gets Established, Good on them. We all know that RL Has gone as far as it can go in the North of England, The only two Newish teams Coventry Bears & Newcastle Thunder are the only teams to have shown any long term expansion for the far future, If we're all 100% Honest Going to a away trip Toronto/Ottawa/New York is a Experience that renders the Actual match Secondary, It's all about having a Piss Up and massive portions if Pancakes and crispy bacon in Maple syrup or Chocolate sauce. And Substandard Beer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 19:10:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 19:13:54 GMT
Can see the vitrol against Toronto being very vocal.
If they haven't dug up a dupe by 23:59 Monday they by the terms laid out by the RFL should be starting in the lower league's, would anyone bet against a stay of execution?
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Post by JJR on Aug 27, 2020 21:20:34 GMT
Yes total shambles.
When the Doc put money in, a dubious -6 pts from the RFL, Hock 6? match and Chase 8? match bans, trying to get rid of him and the team
Bradford go into admin a few times, out of SL.
If Toronto get back in SL, they'll lose lots of supporters and the RFzl will lose any credibility it has
If what Smith says true, we've lost any value we had and I presume Sky and sponsors will see the game as the joke, valueless, unresponsible game it's become.
I'm not a lover of Leigh but London, Leigh, Widnes Featherstone Halifax etc should all make a determined stance against Toronto's potential continued inclusion. It's all just hype, SBW and all. The froth that is Toronto continues.
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 27, 2020 22:07:06 GMT
I have watched the game a long time.And it was always said. A professional game run by amateurs.If this happens nothing as changed.
Ps could it have anything to do with sky.
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Post by redunderthebed on Aug 27, 2020 23:05:45 GMT
If Neil Hudgel wants to walk away because of Toronto or any other reason then so be it. He’s a stereotypical rugby league chairman. Totally self interested, only bothered about his own club, massively insular and short sighted.
The current owners of Toronto have acted disgracefully and should never be allowed to own an RL club again. But that doesn’t mean the Toronto club (and fans) have to suffer if the owners are shipped out. If clubs were kicked out because of their owners then we would be in a lot of trouble. We still have creditors that weren’t paid by John Wilkinson and Koukash was one of the worst owners RL history. But we now have good people running the club and deserve to stay in SL. If the rules that some want applying to Toronto applied to us then we’d be toast
How anyone can criticise Toronto and then suggest that the likes of Leigh should be in SL after what Beaumont has done over the years leaves me scratching my head
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Post by JJR on Aug 28, 2020 7:06:23 GMT
So it's ok for Widnes Leigh Bradford etc fans who've been supporting their clubs for decades to suffer, in order to allow Toronto to remain. Good people runnng the Club, one of which was Kouchash's right hand man that he fired. Seems a balanced view.
Koukash may have not done things the way others have but he invested via his companies millions, which is actually a lot more than our current owners have. He did stop the Club failing, which I assume you would have preferred so perhaps Toulouse could have taken our place.
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Post by russ on Aug 28, 2020 7:10:36 GMT
As usual the drama and over reaction is the story of RL. And everyone wants the rules to be applied when it isn't them. Tony Smith is classicly over the top at times but he came from Oz where everyday all day RL is the dizzying height of complete theatre, but their best bits come from more reasonable consideration. TWP will tend to bring this out in more or less everyone because we all fall on one side of a line or the other, P&R, expansion, rules, scrums, salary cap and we're in an age where we can let rip immediately all bad news for logic and sensible action.
If Hudgell has gone because of TWP it's just an example of cutting your nose off because you're cross about the look on your face.
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Post by JJR on Aug 28, 2020 7:45:50 GMT
Hudgell has put many millions into his club and the game in addition to thousands of hours of effort. If you speak to anybody who knows him, he appears to be highly respected within the game. If the dealings with Toronto are skewed in their favour in order that the big influencers within our game have their way and has caused a genuine investor to leave, I find it hard to swallow.
It's easy to have a go at Hudgell, Koukash, Wilkinson, and previous owners of Widnes, Bradford etc but these are the guys who kept RL going putting millions in the game. And remember Koukash even invested in a certain Mr Hastings and kept us in the SL.
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