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Post by JJR on Aug 2, 2020 17:11:25 GMT
It's RL Chief They'll want to keep the Superleague place, bring in Nobby, who'll buy another team , less his percentage and we'll play in the big top somewhere near some big town, probably on an adopted baseball park. And it'll be another dream come true...or is it nightmare?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 17:22:43 GMT
I think I'm the only 1 who has noticed but New York will actually play in an entirely different State over the border in New Jersey. Maybe they can the Boss to rework his classic along the lines of "Born in the North West of the UK"
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Post by JJR on Aug 2, 2020 17:57:48 GMT
Or will it be Toronto funded by NewYork /Jersey
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 18:22:24 GMT
Or will it be Toronto funded by NewYork /Jersey And scrap the NY based team in total? Surely even the RFL wouldn't let that as it just screams yeah the experiment has failed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 19:10:37 GMT
Looks like that if they do get back into SL it will be without any penalties.
And apparently they have suitors for a take over.
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Post by russ on Aug 3, 2020 20:08:57 GMT
Looks like that if they do get back into SL it will be without any penalties.
And apparently they have suitors for a take over.
I'm not sure why you think it will be without penalty MR???
But the lynch mob is out and demanding blood.
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Post by gadger on Aug 3, 2020 20:49:28 GMT
If you believe Leuteles agent, which tbh why wouldn’t you as he’s not the only one saying this, they don’t deserve a place and won’t have any players anyway. Isn’t paying rent for players in the first place is questionable? And then to leave him and his family high and dry, and £44k out of pocket is disgusting
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 21:03:27 GMT
Think new investment/ownership is the only (slight) option.
The real issue is who on earth is going to come in and throw good money at bringing other teams over to play in Canada all season and still have to pay to play over in the UK?
if they do return and all the other clubs vote to give them a slice of the central funding pie it really would show how mindless RL in the UK has become.
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Post by JJR on Aug 4, 2020 5:35:46 GMT
Apparently agreement with Superleague terminated Argyle withdrawing Seems any new investor must honour all Toronto existing contracts inc payments before any negotiatons with SL/ RL Europe can begin. Couple of consortia apparently interested Seems US interested if SL involvement guaranteed.
To me seems there should be a negotiation for a N American League of some sort, not these one off quick fixes which always over the years seem to hit the buffers ( although London now seems to have some form of stability)
Should also kick the RL into a realistic long term European RL Strategy rather knee jerking to odd teams. The RU seem to do it much better and more successfully.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 6:11:14 GMT
Sorry but think the worst thing Toronto did was sign SBW, obviously world class player but the money he was on (and shares in a possibly now defunct company) can't be good for any RL club.
Why would a consortium want to take over over inflated contracts when to a large extent these are a good part of the reason Toronto have failed in the first place.
I'd take American investment though as what it would take to revolutionise RL is peanuts compared to even collegiate systems in the States (Colleges regularly sign 7 figure branding deals).
If what was on the table was going to benefit all involved I'd love to see them back, if it just offers them another short term elastoplast to cover up their shortcomings then no thanks.
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Post by bonitared on Aug 4, 2020 7:44:39 GMT
If I was SBW’s agent,I’d have asked for a financial guarantee from the owner. Perhaps he did? Doesn’t change the facts though. If DA has pulled out then they’re toast. Can’t see how it’d be acceptable for a new NA team to be parachuted straight in,and I don’t think there’d be any appetite for that. Sorry JJR but a NAmerican league might well be desirable but it won’t produce an SL team in any realistic timescale,if at all. But,we should try and avoid an M62 team making up the numbers. A big step backwards. So Toulouse it is 😎
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Post by red54 on Aug 4, 2020 8:16:58 GMT
The whole North American idea is a complete joke, I don’t believe our own RFL believe in it, they couldn’t even sustain a team in Wales . I even think having a team in France is bad idea, Catalans never bring more than a few dozen supporters to away games and that is what the game is about supporters. Before any of these Countries join Superleague they should demonstrate there commitment by growing their own leagues, I know there is a bit of a league in France but it isn’t great. So if we continually try to bring in outside teams, Toronto, Ottawa, New York, Toulouse , Moscow etc one day our Great club Salford will cease to exist, and I know we are on the brink as ever, it’s my opinion and I may be a little Englander but I only want to see British clubs play not some club from America. Again only my opinion but another reason the league is in such a state is because of the power Institutionally and financially that St Helens, Wigan, Warrington, Leeds and Hull have, they collectively strangle the life out of us small clubs, by constantly taking our best players by hook or by crook and not giving a thought about our survival.
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Post by kreuzbergred on Aug 4, 2020 11:01:42 GMT
RE: Catalan Dragons The team is from a Long Established RL Area Over 120 years Do other Clubs With the a Small amount of Visiting fans IE: Huddersfield/Wakefield Have more right to exist than any French team in Superleague? And let's not forget in the time Catalan have existed they've had a bigger home attendance average than SRD And also more successful than us 2018 Challenge cup And I'm sure a large number of Reds Supporters look forward to going to Watch The match in France than Certain games in West & South Yorkshire
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Post by JJR on Aug 4, 2020 12:07:48 GMT
So why not build up the French RL system via a plan? Why does it hang on to the coat tails of UK RL? The problem is RL doesn't strategically plan as does RU, it survives year to year and lives on opportunism (following any idea so long as there's short term funds available) and is, as has been identified earlier, ruled by the few for the few because of self interest.
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Post by JJR on Aug 4, 2020 14:34:10 GMT
Seems Newcastle Thunder have made a bid for the Toronto franchise. They work under the same umbrella as Newcastle Falcons RU and have a 10 year Strategic Development Plan, as is normal in RU. Now that is unusual for RL, where it all seems to be on an annual survival course.
I'd much prefer Newcastle with a solid base and a solid plan to potential US or Canadian possible chancers.
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