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Post by bonitared on Apr 1, 2019 18:26:04 GMT
I cannot believe that anyone can suggest/ask that any of the coaching staff at our club are clueless after what they have achieved with such limited finances. I have followed and listened carefully to the coaching and back room staff on many occasions and it is insulting to suggest they are doing anything that hasn’t got the club at heart. This 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 18:26:17 GMT
I cannot believe that anyone can suggest/ask that any of the coaching staff at our club are clueless after what they have achieved with such limited finances. I have followed and listened carefully to the coaching and back room staff on many occasions and it is insulting to suggest they are doing anything that hasn’t got the club at heart. Don't think anyone was saying they are clueless (I certainly wasn't) what I was lamenting was the fact that it was paid fully obvious that we needed to take the legs away from there big forwards. I'm sorry it was pure RL 101 to try to go round the big forwards not through them, the annoying thing was when we did we cut the to pieces. |
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Post by dixon13 on Apr 1, 2019 18:32:36 GMT
I cannot believe that anyone can suggest/ask that any of the coaching staff at our club are clueless after what they have achieved with such limited finances. I have followed and listened carefully to the coaching and back room staff on many occasions and it is insulting to suggest they are doing anything that hasn’t got the club at heart. I don't think London MR or myself have said they are not doing their best. MR said that yesterday he found some of the calls by the coach had baffled him. If that's what he thinks he as the right to say so. Loyalty is a wonderful thing blind loyalty is not. Every coach we have had since start of the Wilkinson era except Matt Parish who Left of his own verlision got the sack.They all had one thing in common they were doing their best with what they had.If we can't make an observation we might as well not have the forum surely it's function is for debate not an appreciation society.Nobody said Watto should go including me,but he is not above criticism no coach is spared that as long as it is constructive. I asked would any other coach do better with this squad it is a legitimate question,i personally think not a lot but we will not know the definitive answer because it probably won't happen.I take you back to the Wigan game at the press conference Watto said the tackling was none existant he's words not mine and that they had worked on it training during the week someone said at times it was not good at Wakefield either.So what do you put that down to,either we can't tackle at the crucial moments or don't want to. |
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Post by osrd on Apr 1, 2019 19:03:46 GMT
I cannot believe that anyone can suggest/ask that any of the coaching staff at our club are clueless after what they have achieved with such limited finances. I have followed and listened carefully to the coaching and back room staff on many occasions and it is insulting to suggest they are doing anything that hasn’t got the club at heart. I don't think London MR or myself have said they are not doing their best. MR said that yesterday he found some of the calls by the coach had baffled him. If that's what he thinks he as the right to say so. Loyalty is a wonderful thing blind loyalty is not. Every coach we have had since start of the Wilkinson era except Matt Parish who Left of his own verlision got the sack.They all had one thing in common they were doing their best with what they had.If we can't make an observation we might as well not have the forum surely it's function is for debate not an appreciation society.Nobody said Watto should go including me,but he is not above criticism no coach is spared that as long as it is constructive. I asked would any other coach do better with this squad it is a legitimate question,i personally think not a lot but we will not know the definitive answer because it probably won't happen.I take you back to the Wigan game at the press conference Watto said the tackling was none existant he's words not mine and that they had worked on it training during the week someone said at times it was not good at Wakefield either.So what do you put that down to,either we can't tackle at the crucial moments or don't want to. Dixon it was in one of your previous posts that you said was it Ian Watson or the players who were/are clueless, MR and others put valid items of concern that I have no problem with,it was another game that we could have won and the coach and players will have known that yesterday. The John Wilkinson era is over as are the coaches that were here during his tenure some did well some did not, but I am sure that they had more finance to spend on the squad than Ian Watson and his team have had last season and this so they do deserve some credit. With regards to loyalty, all the fans that I know,sit with,meet with and support the club where we can,appear content with what the club have done recently,if that is your version of blind loyalty, please count me in. I would be more concerned if the coach had said that he was happy with the last two results,but he didn’t, he saw the game as the fans, most of them, did and he did not make excuses for the performance. |
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Post by dixon13 on Apr 1, 2019 20:03:38 GMT
I don't think London MR or myself have said they are not doing their best. MR said that yesterday he found some of the calls by the coach had baffled him. If that's what he thinks he as the right to say so. Loyalty is a wonderful thing blind loyalty is not. Every coach we have had since start of the Wilkinson era except Matt Parish who Left of his own verlision got the sack.They all had one thing in common they were doing their best with what they had.If we can't make an observation we might as well not have the forum surely it's function is for debate not an appreciation society.Nobody said Watto should go including me,but he is not above criticism no coach is spared that as long as it is constructive. I asked would any other coach do better with this squad it is a legitimate question,i personally think not a lot but we will not know the definitive answer because it probably won't happen.I take you back to the Wigan game at the press conference Watto said the tackling was none existant he's words not mine and that they had worked on it training during the week someone said at times it was not good at Wakefield either.So what do you put that down to,either we can't tackle at the crucial moments or don't want to. Dixon it was in one of your previous posts that you said was it Ian Watson or the players who were/are clueless, MR and others put valid items of concern that I have no problem with,it was another game that we could have won and the coach and players will have known that yesterday. The John Wilkinson era is over as are the coaches that were here during his tenure some did well some did not, but I am sure that they had more finance to spend on the squad than Ian Watson and his team have had last season and this so they do deserve some credit. With regards to loyalty, all the fans that I know,sit with,meet with and support the club where we can,appear content with what the club have done recently,if that is your version of blind loyalty, please count me in. I would be more concerned if the coach had said that he was happy with the last two results,but he didn’t, he saw the game as the fans, most of them, did and he did not make excuses for the performance. Then this is last thing I say will on the matter,i used the term clueless for one incident. I sorry to keep mentioning MR as he can speake for himself,he said at critical times on Sunday we took the wrong options and I thought that about the Sunday before what do you put that down to taking the wrong options that is.It's certainly not down to Watson.By the way know one wants Salford to succeed more than me,we will leave it at that. |
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Post by SalfordSlim on Apr 1, 2019 20:51:34 GMT
Frustrating as feck yesterday as we had the ability to win that game but we let it slip with some ill discipline, sloppy defence and some dumb errors (poor last tackle plays, dropping ball early in tackle count etc).
Firstly, Watto is doing a fantastic job. We've got a number of players out injured at the minute and he's having to shuffle the pack a little bit. Wakey's huge pack did a number on us yesterday but like someone previously stated why aren't we going round the ankles? Fifita and Pauli Pauli are monsters and you go waist and above and they'll swat you away like a bluebottle. No-one can stand up to a well-executed ankle tackle tho but we just wasted effort having to go 3/4 men into each tackle as we were going high every time. Bar the "look away" Brough grubber that Wakey scored from, none of their tries were anything special. In fact, they'd have struggled to score if we hadn't gifted them repeat sets or defended our tryline so poorly. On the other hand, every time Jacko got his hands on the ball and we got the ball out wide we looked so dangerous and we scored some belting tries. Wakey very rarely looked a threat in the backs and we were just pummelled into submission down the middle. We also probably conceded 60/70 possession and similar territory and you're gonna struggle to win games like that.
Like I said it's frustrating as the defensive effort against Catalans was outstanding but the past few games we've shipped some really soft tries. An 11 point defeat away at Wakey doesn't sound too bad but when you consider the softness of the tries it shows you how good we can be if we cut the mistakes out.
Positives? Jacko looked great again and we need to keep him fit (no **** Sherlock!). JJ was his usual battering ram self, and bar the dropped ball on his first carry (which probably killed the game when we looked like we could pull it off) Inu had 4 or 5 promising runs and will be a great asset if he keeps fit with his power and ability to offload.
Let's not forget we had Sio, Sa'u, Mossop, Wood, Johnson, Murray all sat in the stands so we've still got bodies to come back and strengthen the squad. Hull is now a massive game. They got spanked against Wire and look there for the taking (after a mini renaissance). Wigan look to have hit some form and Wire are going great guns so 2 points against Hull and a cup win against Rochdale are vital.
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Post by SalfordSlim on Apr 1, 2019 20:54:41 GMT
Oh and another big positive.... I got a lift yesterday off a fellow forumite (of the Viking Sunset variety) and can confirm I woke up today suffering no ill effects! Contrary to common misconceptions, it is indeed safe to spend time in the company of a Ginger and live to tell the tale.😏😁
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 21:13:18 GMT
Oh and another big positive.... I got a lift yesterday off a fellow forumite (of the Viking Sunset variety) and can confirm I woke up today suffering no ill effects! Contrary to common misconceptions, it is indeed safe to spend time in the company of a Ginger and live to tell the tale.😏😁 SS & Mafia sitting in a tree, k.i.s.s.i.n.g
The pitter patter of fat ginger children will be with us in 9 months.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 21:18:03 GMT
Couples of things I forgot about yesterday.
When Jones-Bishop got up from a tackle and deliberately put the ball on a Salford player trying to clear the ruck was given as a penalty, I know we moan but that was ludicrous. The ref though was genuinely p!ss poor (such a pity the 2 refs idea has been dropped).
Another was the looks on the faces of Turgut and Walker at the basic errors from Salford was priceless. Think they were listening to the Salford fans screaming at the players to go lower in the tackle and watching the Wakefield props swatting away our tacklers.
OH and at times you could see Hastings think f*ck this is I'll do it all myself and break the line at will, we desperately need Lui to up his game to match his illustrious halves partner.
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Post by JJR on Apr 1, 2019 21:42:31 GMT
SL team of the week
4. Lynn
7. Hastings, retains his spot from last week
13. Arona
Well done Jackson. Made 150m, most in the match
Man of Steel
3. Fifita
2. Brought
1. Hampshire
Salford missed 53 tackles, ablout 1 in 6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 22:09:07 GMT
SL team of the week 4. Lynn 7. Hastings, retains his spot from last week 13. Arona Well done Jackson. Made 150m, most in the match Man of Steel 3. Fifita 2. Brought 1. Hampshire Salford missed 53 tackles, ablout 1 in 6 I'd say rather than missed tackles most of them were tackles the Wakefield player prevented. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 7:58:39 GMT
On another positive note - how good was Bibby’s offload for the 2nd last try? I’ve watched it back a few times now.
I rate Sa’u but he’s getting on a bit and hasn’t been at his best so far this season. Do we stick with Bibby given his potential and age? I’d say yes but can understand calls for Sa’u to come back in.
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Post by JJR on Apr 2, 2019 8:07:57 GMT
Sau at loose forward?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 8:35:24 GMT
I'd definitely go for that, power and speed, todays #13 is less of a creative player more of an 80 minute prop and think Juniors aggression would be ideal. |
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Post by SalfordSlim on Apr 2, 2019 8:36:36 GMT
Not if we want a ball handling 13! 2nd row if anything. Still think Junior can do a job in the centres tho. I wish Bibby had an extra yard of pace as he'd be a top class centre. He's got great hands and decent enough footwork. I just think against the better/quicker centres in SL he'll struggle to beat his man. Don't forget against Catalans he was up against a 2nd rower in Whitley. That said, his distribution is superb. Throw a fully fit Inu into the mix and we have options. |
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