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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 18:57:24 GMT
I'll say it AGAIN. Sure if the club gave the hard core of fans a method of making a regular monthly contribution they would get a fair few takers, I'm not talking telephone numbers but I'd put £50 PM into the coffers but again I need to hear from the horses mouth that these reports of a fire sale when/if we get clear of 9th are baseless, simply not going to prop up a regime that releases the tools that can help the club survive. In fairness to them they've been slaughtered (perhaps rightly) for saying that the GOB money will be reinvested in the squad, only to realise now that they need to use it to keep the club afloat. So I think any more bold statements are unlikely for a while. The only way they can turn round and say no one will be sold I imagine will be if there is an influx of cash from somewhere whether it's fans, sponsors or somewhere else.
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Post by prestwichred on May 29, 2018 6:51:56 GMT
I can not see anything but a drop into the championship myself looking at the current form and dire situation at Salford. Will the RFL come to help us ala Bradford will they fook. They want Toronto in SL and will do all they can to facilitate that. This is why at present SL means nothing to me. There are only 4 clubs who can win it and the rest are desperately trying to get the other four places just to stay there. We dont have the finances and never will to compete in SL with the crowds we get and the community model which has been set up. I will carry on supporting and attending games wherever we end up but at present the only way we can survive is to sell assets and all we have are players. I expect another player or more to go if and when we don’t make the top 8.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 14:23:24 GMT
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Post by russ on May 29, 2018 14:34:57 GMT
I just wanted to post a few examples of things people can do to help out the club in the short term even hopefully showing that even the smallest amounts can mount up and make a difference Buy a half time draw ticket. £1 each. We could easily make close to £1k from this based on a crowd of 2k. Programmes. £3. Even selling just 500 = £1500. Merchandise. 200 people buying one item at roughly £30 average = £6000. Upgrading season tickets to VIP for the rest of the season. 100 people at £60 average = £6000. Half season tickets. 200 people at £120 = £24k, potentially doubled to £48k by Marwan. Next home game. 3 weeks until the next home game after tonight but buy your ticket early and get the money into the club? Tickets on sale at tonight's game. 500 sales x £20 = £10k. There's potentially £70k plus tonight's gate receipts into the clubs coffers for very little effort really. Although not here I thought this was a great post and will do what I can along those lines, all the best to you and the club.
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Post by earlybath on May 29, 2018 15:50:50 GMT
So it looks like the CVA which Marwan personally agreed to repay has found its way into the Company`s Balance Sheet - presumably - although I stand corrected - without MKs Guarantee.
If so - How has he managed that? Is it Legal? Are the old Creditors happy to see repayments coming from a Limited Company without Marwan or would they prefer to see Marwan fulfil his contract.
I just don`t see why the Company is saddled with this £3+ million debt as it detracts from any possibility of a new Investor.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 16:03:28 GMT
I’ve no reason to doubt you,in fact it’s what I’ve been waiting for,since we realised the calibre of who we were dealing with. What he appears to have are good legal and financial advisers. If he has passed the debt to the club,he should be ashamed of how he is acting. I’m sure the fools at The RFL won’t have a clue how to deal with this action.
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Post by johnh1 on May 29, 2018 17:56:18 GMT
I don't know if any of this is true, but if it is, we might as well pack up and go. There is no way that the club can clear that.
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Post by bonitared on May 29, 2018 18:19:30 GMT
Maybe I’m missing something here. The debt has always been the clubs,first the loans from JW , his pension fund and the Council/Peel. Subsequently from MK. This is the way it works, Chelsea had loans from Abramovich on their balance sheet for ages until he waived their repayment,years later. MK is saying that he will write off what the club owes him,subject to certain criteria,so the club still owes JW and the earlier creditors which MK was effectively guaranteeing when he owned the club. The CVA with the original creditors is surely not down to MK. He had nothing to do with accumulating that debt. Andy Rosler negotiated the original CVA,I think,so he’s in a perfect position to deal with this. I find it difficult to warm to Koukash,understatement, but I’m really not sure what he’s done wrong here. As far as the RFL is concerned,this would explain the original delay in approving the new structure. They will have needed an update on the original CVA which must have been satisfactory
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Post by earlybath on May 29, 2018 18:26:31 GMT
Bonita. Very simply I was informed that MK PERSONALLY guaranteed the CVA repayment & from what 1 creditor told me there have now been 2 extensions without payment to the old Creditors.
If he is still guaranteeing the CVA repayment then it sits OK with me. If not it doesn`t and we are saddled - as a Company - with the debt of the old Company which if true is a disgrace. If that is the case then MK has got out of his guarantee - a very neat side step - as good as Watkins at his best.
As Deborah Meaden says on Dragons Den - `I won`t be investing - I`m Out`.
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Post by bonitared on May 29, 2018 18:32:31 GMT
I think we need to agree to differ because,if he was personally guaranteeing the Club and the debt was the clubs,then effectively he was guaranteeing the CVA debt for as long as he owned the club. He doesn’t own it any more. I really can’t see why anybody should think it fair that he should be expected to pay the old creditors. They incurred their debts with their eyes wide open. Anyway,we’ll struggle to agree so let’s leave it there. It feels weird to defend Koukash so I need a lie down 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 18:56:33 GMT
Bonita. Very simply I was informed that MK PERSONALLY guaranteed the CVA repayment & from what 1 creditor told me there have now been 2 extensions without payment to the old Creditors. If he is still guaranteeing the CVA repayment then it sits OK with me. If not it doesn`t and we are saddled - as a Company - with the debt of the old Company which if true is a disgrace. If that is the case then MK has got out of his guarantee - a very neat side step - as good as Watkins at his best. As Deborah Meaden says on Dragons Den - `I won`t be investing - I`m Out`. The technicalities of the £3m debt not being run up by MK are irrelevant. The RFL insisted that he guaranteed the money,otherwise the club would have been relegated under their rules as Bradford were. As EB says if he has managed to release this debt back onto the club,that is something to be deplored and The RFL have been duped by him.
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Post by bonitared on May 29, 2018 18:59:51 GMT
It’s hardly a technicality that it wasn’t him that ran up a £3 million debt ! I really can’t usefully add to what I’ve already said
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Post by earlybath on May 29, 2018 20:11:40 GMT
Bonita - a CVA has to be agreed by (I think) 75% of the old Company`s Creditors. Marwan personally guaranteed that debt to be repaid over many, many years.
The old Company was wound up. The debt was Marwan`s - NOT - the new Company into which it seems to have been inserted. As I said previously if Marwan still guarantees that debt then I am happy. However it is not a debt of the new Company - it was Marwan`s. Estagnol above has hit the nail on the head as it was the gangway into Super League without being relegated.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 20:36:19 GMT
I can see both sides of this one to be honest. He's assured creditors that he'll pay it off (presumably whilst he remains owner of the club) but has now swerved it by stepping down as owner. As bonitared says once he doesn't own the club its no longer his debt. Sadly that's how it works in my eyes.
Getting the other £5m debt off the books will be a major boost going forward. I presume (hope) the CVA can be negotiated into reasonable terms but the longer the creditors get zero back I presume they will become more unwilling to give the club any more time etc to make the repayments.
In terms of the current situation it's not a priority however it is obviously something that will need to be factored into the clubs accounts/business plan from next season onwards.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 20:49:41 GMT
I just wanted to post a few examples of things people can do to help out the club in the short term even hopefully showing that even the smallest amounts can mount up and make a difference Buy a half time draw ticket. £1 each. We could easily make close to £1k from this based on a crowd of 2k. Programmes. £3. Even selling just 500 = £1500. Merchandise. 200 people buying one item at roughly £30 average = £6000. Upgrading season tickets to VIP for the rest of the season. 100 people at £60 average = £6000. Half season tickets. 200 people at £120 = £24k, potentially doubled to £48k by Marwan. Next home game. 3 weeks until the next home game after tonight but buy your ticket early and get the money into the club? Tickets on sale at tonight's game. 500 sales x £20 = £10k. There's potentially £70k plus tonight's gate receipts into the clubs coffers for very little effort really. Although not here I thought this was a great post and will do what I can along those lines, all the best to you and the club. Cheers Russ. Hope you are well.
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