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Post by reddevil89 on Mar 4, 2018 17:56:00 GMT
When will we ever learn, we are our own worst enemy, fair enough saints are in great form and where favourites for the win, but we are never going to give ourselves a chance in games unless this changes, game on game we never learn, and I’m not saying this cos we lost, it’s every game and needs be looked at
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Post by Carnster on Mar 4, 2018 18:16:20 GMT
We're displaying the traits of a team that lacks pace.
1. A team that lacks pace has to slow the game down in defense. Goto 2.
2. A team that lacks pace relies on penetration of the defensive line rather than playing around it. Goto 3
3. This causes tiredness. Goto 1.
3. A team that lacks pace relies on physicality that causes higher penalty counts. Goto 3.
We are stuck in a big rut with this and find it strange that rather than identifying and trying to change the problem area we seem to have just embraced it. Watson doesn't have many cards to play, to be fair (see what I did there?) but it's a little alarming that such a glaringly obvious point with regards to top quality sides has been ignored.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 18:48:23 GMT
We're displaying the traits of a team that lacks pace. 1. A team that lacks pace has to slow the game down in defense. Goto 2. 2. A team that lacks pace relies on penetration of the defensive line rather than playing around it. Goto 3 3. This causes tiredness. Goto 1. 3. A team that lacks pace relies on physicality that causes higher penalty counts. Goto 3. We are stuck in a big rut with this and find it strange that rather than identifying and trying to change the problem area we seem to have just embraced it. Watson doesn't have many cards to play, to be fair (see what I did there?) but it's a little alarming that such a glaringly obvious point with regards to top quality sides has been ignored. What worries me about this is that today was perfect to play to our strengths in the forwards negating the lack of pace in the backs. The closer we get to summer the more this lack of pace will become an issue. Olpherts seems to have pace but isn't getting close so we need to look from outside, I'll not mention MCB again as he seems now to becoming part of the 17 at Wakefield. We need desperately to deregister Manu and bring in a bit of quality. I'll go so far as to say if we don't find some pace out wide we'll struggle to win games from May onwards. |
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Post by JJR on Mar 4, 2018 19:00:43 GMT
Backs aren't much different to last year. We miss Dobb, that's the issue. Pity MK bought the stooges and not Ben Barba, now he is class.
So scrum half and sort the discipline out.
In the short term O'Brien to scrum half, Littlejohn to hooker to learn the plays. Barba had to learn last year and the 'star' Warrington scrum half😩
(That pesky London scrum half Sammut doing well again this year.)
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Post by bigfish on Mar 4, 2018 19:14:42 GMT
Had to listen on radio due to work. To be fair it sounded like we matched them in the middle but we just offered nothing in attack and YET AGAIN easy yards/possession gifted to the opposition to be fair.
Regarding the lack of pace out wide, it makes no difference who we have on the edges if we don’t provide them with the ball. The commentators even noted on the radio that they hadn’t even mentioned Evalds’ name until the hour mark, I wasn’t sure he was playing to be fair!
Mind you, it’s a bit frustrating to see two of our ex wingers helping Wakey tear it up to be fair...
To be fair, sounded like Littlejohn was pretty much absent and Lui kept kicking for touch when we were chasing the game??
Not many teams will beat Saints this year but sounded like they (minus Barba) were there for the taking if we had any attacking threat to be fair.
TO BE FAIR
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 19:23:58 GMT
Had to listen on radio due to work. To be fair it sounded like we matched them in the middle but we just offered nothing in attack and YET AGAIN easy yards/possession gifted to the opposition to be fair. Regarding the lack of pace out wide, it makes no difference who we have on the edges if we don’t provide them with the ball. The commentators even noted on the radio that they hadn’t even mentioned Evalds’ name until the hour mark, I wasn’t sure he was playing to be fair! Mind you, it’s a bit frustrating to see two of our ex wingers helping Wakey tear it up to be fair... To be fair, sounded like Littlejohn was pretty much absent and Lui kept kicking for touch when we were chasing the game?? Not many teams will beat Saints this year but sounded like they (minus Barba) were there for the taking if we had any attacking threat to be fair. TO BE FAIR All very fair 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 19:24:46 GMT
But there is a crumb of comfort.
Leigh lost again, come Derek give a chortle and implode again.
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Post by SalfordSlim on Mar 4, 2018 19:26:42 GMT
I thought the final score flattered Saints tbh and they got more than the rub of the green when it came to the penalty count. Lama obviously got that frustrated he decided to take the law into his own hands and I can't blame him tbh. I'm not one for bagging the ref but he shafted us a few times today with some of his decisions (giving a drop out that resulted in the kick out on the full anyone?) and Saints scored at least 2 or 3 tries off the back of them. Giving away pens on the 5th tackle (at least 3 times), tackling a player in the air (we do this every sodding week!!) and not getting a kick away on the last tackle are inexcusable though and it's costing us big time.
The forwards put a big shift in and I thought Josh Wood was excellent, continually putting in big hits on that freak Walmsley and he's improved massively this season. We all know the deficiencies in attack so I'm not going to go on about them. Saints were never 30 points better than us today but they do have the strike players to punish mistakes and conceding 18 points in the last 12 minutes or so was obviously down to fatigue from the defensive stint we had to put in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 19:27:27 GMT
As for outside backs I'd go for Lukewarm Briscoe from Fev, had a year or so away from SL so might have got his moon back.
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Post by JJR on Mar 4, 2018 19:46:42 GMT
You can have as many good backs as you want but without a scrum half they'll just be spectators.
Junior scored a bagful of tries early on last year off Dobbo. Carney played for Hullkr without the ball and was a passenger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 20:19:36 GMT
We weren't as bad as the scoreline suggests. I think it was 16-2 with just over 10 mins left. Fair play to Saints they put in the hard graft when required early on then threw the ball around towards the end when they had built a good lead. They also played on the inexperience of the ref by moving off the mark regularly after being tackled then gaining a penalty for interference.
A few points on our performance:
Every time we got near their line in the first half we put a bomb up. Too predictable.
Our best player stuck on the wing. Probably touched the ball about 5 times all game.
We need to put our chances away, but don't have the pace against the better sides (Welham break at 8-2 down just after half time).
Does anyone know what the 80 minutes silence was for from the home fans?
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Post by dixon13 on Mar 4, 2018 20:23:48 GMT
We're displaying the traits of a team that lacks pace. 1. A team that lacks pace has to slow the game down in defense. Goto 2. 2. A team that lacks pace relies on penetration of the defensive line rather than playing around it. Goto 3 3. This causes tiredness. Goto 1. 3. A team that lacks pace relies on physicality that causes higher penalty counts. Goto 3. We are stuck in a big rut with this and find it strange that rather than identifying and trying to change the problem area we seem to have just embraced it. Watson doesn't have many cards to play, to be fair (see what I did there?) but it's a little alarming that such a glaringly obvious point with regards to top quality sides has been ignored. What worries me about this is that today was perfect to play to our strengths in the forwards negating the lack of pace in the backs. The closer we get to summer the more this lack of pace will become an issue. Olpherts seems to have pace but isn't getting close so we need to look from outside, I'll not mention MCB again as he seems now to becoming part of the 17 at Wakefield. We need desperately to deregister Manu and bring in a bit of quality. I'll go so far as to say if we don't find some pace out wide we'll struggle to win games from May onwards. Can we afford to pay him off. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 20:45:50 GMT
What worries me about this is that today was perfect to play to our strengths in the forwards negating the lack of pace in the backs. The closer we get to summer the more this lack of pace will become an issue. Olpherts seems to have pace but isn't getting close so we need to look from outside, I'll not mention MCB again as he seems now to becoming part of the 17 at Wakefield. We need desperately to deregister Manu and bring in a bit of quality. I'll go so far as to say if we don't find some pace out wide we'll struggle to win games from May onwards. Can we afford to pay him off. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 20:47:43 GMT
Can we afford to pay him off. I've asked this before but surely there is an insurance against this type of season/career ending injury, there really is no point keeping him around if so as its dead money when a replacement is urgently needed. |
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Post by bigfish on Mar 4, 2018 21:09:06 GMT
Need to get Manu off the books ASAP.
Matty Smith anyone?
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