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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 15:53:23 GMT
Oh! I know it as Windsor High School, it was closed down and demolished in early 2000's and they were all seperated between Hope and Buille Hill Yeah that is still derelict again good transport links, imagine playing right next door to the precinct! haha Can you imagine the regeneration in that area if that would have been the option take? Ah well when I win the supa dupa mega Eurosquillions roll over I'll make it happen. The Winston as our local pre match boozer! |
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Post by Carnster on Nov 9, 2017 16:08:46 GMT
Not true. The first part that is. After many years of work, unchallengeable planning consent for the stadium was granted in February 2007. Franchising was introduced in 2009. Which part of what Dixon said wasn't true? The bit where he said he always wanted to move. He clearly didn't always want to move or he had of done so at any point after 1982. |
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Post by Chico on Nov 9, 2017 16:19:32 GMT
The club did look at significant renovations of The Willows in the 1980s and 90s. They were even considering a plastic pitch in the mid-80s. They first muted leaving The Willows in 1999 – David Tarry confirmed this years later – possibly motivated by the RFL’s future plans but also perhaps issues with what they could do with the ground in Weaste.
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Post by hammerlessnail on Nov 9, 2017 16:28:10 GMT
After many years of work, unchallengeable planning consent for the stadium was granted in February 2007. Franchising was introduced in 2009. Which part of what Dixon said wasn't true? The bit where he said he always wanted to move. He clearly didn't always want to move or he had of done so at any point after 1982. Well, at the risk of putting words into his mouth, he was responding to your assertion that Salford were forced to move by the RFL, but appears to have used "always" in its more colloquial sense rather than its literal sense. What he's saying is true though. Salford weren't forced to move by the RFL. Planning for the stadium was already underway before franchising was introduced. John Wilkinson wanted to move. He gave numerous reasons for it over the years: the cost of maintaining an old, dilapidated stadium, the fact it was hemmed in down both sides so couldn't easily be redeveloped, its location (he believed fans - particularly visiting fans - were put off by Weaste's unfair reputation as Fort Apache, although there was a lot of vandalism to visiting cars in the area on match days). When the RFL wanted to introduce a decent stadium as a criterion for franchising, they were pushing at an open door in Salford's case. It wasn't the RFL's fault that Salford moved to Barton. |
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Post by Carnster on Nov 9, 2017 16:30:52 GMT
The club did look at significant renovations of The Willows in the 1980s and 90s. They were even considering a plastic pitch in the mid-80s. They first muted leaving The Willows in 1999 – David Tarry confirmed this years later – possibly motivated by the RFL’s future plans but also perhaps issues with what they could do with the ground in Weaste. This is also my recollection. If I recall correctly there was significant hurdles in place for the club to do anything with the Willows. Be that financial, council related or otherwise. Once those avenues were seemingly exhausted then the club were tentatively looking at moving. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the stadium deal with the AJ will not be JW's finest moment. Although I understand that there was little options for him at the time. |
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Post by Carnster on Nov 9, 2017 16:35:38 GMT
The bit where he said he always wanted to move. He clearly didn't always want to move or he had of done so at any point after 1982. Well, at the risk of putting words into his mouth, he was responding to your assertion that Salford were forced to move by the RFL, but appears to have used "always" in its more colloquial sense rather than its literal sense. What he's saying is true though. Salford weren't forced to move by the RFL. Planning for the stadium was already underway before franchising was introduced. John Wilkinson wanted to move. He gave numerous reasons for it over the years: the cost of maintaining an old, dilapidated stadium, the fact it was hemmed in down both sides so couldn't easily be redeveloped, its location (he believed fans - particularly visiting fans - were put off by Weaste's unfair reputation as Fort Apache, although there was a lot of vandalism to visiting cars in the area on match days). When the RFL wanted to introduce a decent stadium as a criterion for franchising, they were pushing at an open door in Salford's case. It wasn't the RFL's fault that Salford moved to Barton. I don't disagree with you. Words are important! |
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 9, 2017 18:24:24 GMT
Well, at the risk of putting words into his mouth, he was responding to your assertion that Salford were forced to move by the RFL, but appears to have used "always" in its more colloquial sense rather than its literal sense. What he's saying is true though. Salford weren't forced to move by the RFL. Planning for the stadium was already underway before franchising was introduced. John Wilkinson wanted to move. He gave numerous reasons for it over the years: the cost of maintaining an old, dilapidated stadium, the fact it was hemmed in down both sides so couldn't easily be redeveloped, its location (he believed fans - particularly visiting fans - were put off by Weaste's unfair reputation as Fort Apache, although there was a lot of vandalism to visiting cars in the area on match days). When the RFL wanted to introduce a decent stadium as a criterion for franchising, they were pushing at an open door in Salford's case. It wasn't the RFL's fault that Salford moved to Barton. I don't disagree with you. Words are important! Before peel ever got involved John Wilkinson and others formed a company called Red City Development the first model of a ground they produced was a 25 thousand seater stadium.The train was leaving the station.Then Red City Development went bust.We were leaving the Willows at all cost just like Wilky wanted but we had no where to go.Thats when peel and the council got involved and we went from a 25 thousand seater to what we have now.A main stand a 3 bike sheds.Wilky was told at numerous meetings we would loose support.But for various reasons some eloquently put forward by others we were moving.I am not blaming him in the slightest he did what he thought was for best,I just didn't agree with him.I think if Wilky was honest and I believe he his he would say it was is dream to move us into a new stadium and kick on it didn't work because it was in the wrong place. |
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Post by Carnster on Nov 9, 2017 18:36:21 GMT
I don't disagree with you. Words are important! Before peel ever got involved John Wilkinson and others formed a company called Red City Development the first model of a ground they produced was a 25 thousand seater stadium.The train was leaving the station.Then Red City Development went bust.We were leaving the Willows at all cost just like Wilky wanted but we had no where to go.Thats when peel and the council got involved and we went from a 25 thousand seater to what we have now.A main stand a 3 bike sheds.Wilky was told at numerous meetings we would loose support.But for various reasons some eloquently put forward by others we were moving.I am not blaming him in the slightest he did what he thought was for best,I just didn'tgree with him.I think if Wilky was honest and I believe he his he would say it was is dream to move us into a new stadium and kick on it didn't work because it was in the wrong place. Crossed wires here I think on my part. Took what you said too literally. Totally agree with what you say. |
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Post by SalfordSlim on Nov 9, 2017 21:06:36 GMT
Can you imagine the regeneration in that area if that would have been the option take? Ah well when I win the supa dupa mega Eurosquillions roll over I'll make it happen. The Winston as our local pre match boozer! Dear god no!!! I had the "pleasure" of living in the flats round there (Churchill Court, Pear Tree Court) as a teenager. Highlight of the week was watching the car chases on a Friday/Saturday night!😂 Apologies to anyone on here that lives round there but it really is a sh1thole!! |
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Post by hammerlessnail on Nov 9, 2017 21:30:26 GMT
The club did look at significant renovations of The Willows in the 1980s and 90s. They were even considering a plastic pitch in the mid-80s. They first muted leaving The Willows in 1999 – David Tarry confirmed this years later – possibly motivated by the RFL’s future plans but also perhaps issues with what they could do with the ground in Weaste. I don't think leaving the Willows was muted in 1999. Quite the contrary, in fact. They were quite vociferous about it. |
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Post by hammerlessnail on Nov 9, 2017 22:24:28 GMT
I don't disagree with you. Words are important! Before peel ever got involved John Wilkinson and others formed a company called Red City Development the first model of a ground they produced was a 25 thousand seater stadium.The train was leaving the station.Then Red City Development went bust.We were leaving the Willows at all cost just like Wilky wanted but we had no where to go.Thats when peel and the council got involved and we went from a 25 thousand seater to what we have now.A main stand a 3 bike sheds.Wilky was told at numerous meetings we would loose support.But for various reasons some eloquently put forward by others we were moving.I am not blaming him in the slightest he did what he thought was for best,I just didn'tgree with him.I think if Wilky was honest and I believe he his he would say it was is dream to move us into a new stadium and kick on it didn't work because it was in the wrong place. Remember that futuristic design it had? It was going to look like a spaceship had landed to whisk the mutant aliens of Swinton back to planet Slackjaw. Instead we've ended up with something that looks like they gave up after they'd got the site office and portaloos in. |
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Post by Chico on Nov 10, 2017 8:38:38 GMT
The club did look at significant renovations of The Willows in the 1980s and 90s. They were even considering a plastic pitch in the mid-80s. They first muted leaving The Willows in 1999 – David Tarry confirmed this years later – possibly motivated by the RFL’s future plans but also perhaps issues with what they could do with the ground in Weaste. I don't think leaving the Willows was muted in 1999. Quite the contrary, in fact. They were quite vociferous about it. David Tarry said as much in a meeting with supporters about the then new stadium plans with Howard Clague and a chap from Arup. |
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 10, 2017 10:51:17 GMT
Before peel ever got involved John Wilkinson and others formed a company called Red City Development the first model of a ground they produced was a 25 thousand seater stadium.The train was leaving the station.Then Red City Development went bust.We were leaving the Willows at all cost just like Wilky wanted but we had no where to go.Thats when peel and the council got involved and we went from a 25 thousand seater to what we have now.A main stand a 3 bike sheds.Wilky was told at numerous meetings we would loose support.But for various reasons some eloquently put forward by others we were moving.I am not blaming him in the slightest he did what he thought was for best,I just didn'tgree with him.I think if Wilky was honest and I believe he his he would say it was is dream to move us into a new stadium and kick on it didn't work because it was in the wrong place. Remember that futuristic design it had? It was going to look like a spaceship had landed to whisk the mutant aliens of Swinton back to planet Slackjaw. Instead we've ended up with something that looks like they gave up after they'd got the site office and portaloos in. The first meeting about the plans for the new ground was held at the Weaste public house.The model of the new 25 thousand seater ground that David Tarry produced had been designed by the people who had done the Birds Nest Stadium in China it was always going to be at Barton we were told we had got the land for a pepper corn rent,and the Willows was going to be Affordable housing the plan also included a shopping mall an hotel and a casino.If that model that I and others saw that night in the Weaste had gone ahead it would not only have been the envy of Rugby League but also a lot of football clubs. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 11:09:38 GMT
The first meeting about the plans for the new ground was held at the Weaste public house.The model of the new 25 thousand seater ground that David Tarry produced had been designed by the people who had done the Birds Nest Stadium in China it was always going to be at Barton we were told we had got the land for a pepper corn rent,and the Willows was going to be Affordable housing the plan also included a shopping mall an hotel and a casino.If that model that I and others saw that night in the Weaste had gone ahead it would not only have been the envy of Rugby League but also a lot of football clubs. I'm not actually anti Koucash but this is one of my biggest bug bares with him, he fed us so many false ideas that it becomes hard to remember them all, but. Own the stadium, Water park, Hotel, Academy facilities on site, All that if they had come to fruition would have take us from star gazers to a lofty on cloud position. |
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 10, 2017 11:45:23 GMT
The first meeting about the plans for the new ground was held at the Weaste public house.The model of the new 25 thousand seater ground that David Tarry produced had been designed by the people who had done the Birds Nest Stadium in China it was always going to be at Barton we were told we had got the land for a pepper corn rent,and the Willows was going to be Affordable housing the plan also included a shopping mall an hotel and a casino.If that model that I and others saw that night in the Weaste had gone ahead it would not only have been the envy of Rugby League but also a lot of football clubs. I'm not actually anti Koucash but this is one of my biggest bug bares with him, he fed us so many false ideas that it becomes hard to remember them all, but. Own the stadium, Water park, Hotel, Academy facilities on site, All that if they had come to fruition would have take us from star gazers to a lofty on cloud position. You know that Sale wanted to buy the stadium well they got the KB. It is not being left at that they have the same problems we have no revenue for food or drink or parking they also see we are getting rent holidays they are not happy.If they don't get the stadium they are prepared to move and have land in mind.Will see what happens. |
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