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Aug 11, 2017 22:45:31 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 11, 2017 22:45:31 GMT
I am really struggling to see where a win is going to come from. We look a very poor side at the moment. And as for the attendance, absolutely shocking. Where was everyone from the semi? The people of Salford are clearly not interested in the club whatsoever and each poorly attended game is just reinforcing Koukash's argument that a big change is needed. There is no way we can continue to compete with attendances as low as that. So do you think we would have played better tonight if we had have been called Manchester.You got it right at first,we looked a poor side.I thought we were actually clueless and I wasn't on my own. |
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Aug 11, 2017 23:08:27 GMT
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Post by gadger on Aug 11, 2017 23:08:27 GMT
Well and truly fed up. Performance wasn't actually that bad, but we never looked like winning. Missing Dobson big time, carney didn't do a great deal again. Heard before the game sau, Dobson and koppy were all dropped tonight, need to get sau and dobbo back in for next week.
Attendance was just dreadful, I'm all for bashing the club where they deserve it for not promoting enough, but even despite that, that is just poor. Depressing.
Positives, vatuvei again looks well up for the challenge. We can still laugh at Warrington.
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Aug 11, 2017 23:50:57 GMT
Post by bonitared on Aug 11, 2017 23:50:57 GMT
Didn't know that Sau and Dobson had been dropped but guessed that Koppy had,as he came back in last minute.
Can't do much about the injuries but leaving those two out is a big call by Watson.
Carney was ok,but ok isn't good enough. Really missed Dobson.
We looked better in the centre without Welham and Bibby looks promising. JJ isn't a centre,period,but still was safer than KW.
The team tried hard and played it tough . We never looked like winning.
Big test for Watson,now,as he has to bring back the dropped players and motivate them.
At the start of the season we'd have settled for this but somehow I think we're increasingly missing the steadying influence and experience of Sheens.
Interestingly we didn't complete the left to right move even once tonight. Can't speak highly enough of Evalds but we miss GOB. No idea how he sorts that out but that's why he's a coach and I'm not
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Aug 12, 2017 4:50:29 GMT
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Post by Astleyred on Aug 12, 2017 4:50:29 GMT
What a turn around, gone from being the second highest try scoring side in SL to 8 loses in 9, against 281 / for 138.
Not many positives to be positive about and I'm not going for this "get real" and "id have taken this at the start" talk anymore, it's looking more and more difficult how IW is going to turn this around as we seem to be completely devoid of that winning mentality and togetherness from earlier in the season.
And wow don't like to bash our club and fans but that attendance was shocking, Swinton aren't far behind and only gives the doc more fuel to the fire.
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Aug 12, 2017 7:45:23 GMT
Post by manny on Aug 12, 2017 7:45:23 GMT
Lots of huff and puff but clearly lacking the ability to break down a determined Cas defence. With O'Brien and Dobson missing we have much less threat getting the ball out wide. Watson needs to find a better balance between power and pace by signing more spark players that are capable of racing through/breaking through the opponents defensive line. It's all safety first and up the jumper for me. If the plan A power/percentage gameplan fails we don't have the players with the ability to execute a plan B.
I can't see another win all year to be honest and I think if this team had the option to declare right now they would take it.
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Post by Carnster on Aug 12, 2017 8:03:26 GMT
I am really struggling to see where a win is going to come from. We look a very poor side at the moment. And as for the attendance, absolutely shocking. Where was everyone from the semi? The people of Salford are clearly not interested in the club whatsoever and each poorly attended game is just reinforcing Koukash's argument that a big change is needed. There is no way we can continue to compete with attendances as low as that. So do you think we would have played better tonight if we had have been called Manchester.You got it right at first,we looked a poor side.I thought we were actually clueless and I wasn't on my own. Pointless post. Take the chip off your shoulder and take it at face value. Regardless of what the club have or haven't done, the crowd was embarrassing. The real fact here is that the people of Salford have the opportunity to change the outcome of the clubs destiny but can't be bothered. Ultimately the same people will be the first to whine when the inevitable happens. The end of this season will be messy in more ways than one. |
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Aug 12, 2017 9:07:47 GMT
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Post by gadger on Aug 12, 2017 9:07:47 GMT
Agree carnster, last nights attendance was shocking. The club have to take some element of blame for all the reasons mentioned a thousand times by me alone but I would have expected at least 3.5k last night even without any advertising at all. Sad sad state of affairs
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Aug 12, 2017 9:15:20 GMT
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Post by gadger on Aug 12, 2017 9:15:20 GMT
That said... I'm still convinced we can get decent crowds at the aj if the club actually want to work for it. As we've always said it's not going to be an easy quick fix, but continue getting to the schools/local clubs with some clever ideas and pricing to get parents down and a decent competitive team there's no reason why the majority of that 5k at wire wouldn't become regulars. 4K home fans is attainable in the medium term, with more if we were winning stuff. I've got to say/think positively or else I'll just cry or drink myself to sleep  |
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Aug 12, 2017 9:39:32 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 12, 2017 9:39:32 GMT
So do you think we would have played better tonight if we had have been called Manchester.You got it right at first,we looked a poor side.I thought we were actually clueless and I wasn't on my own. Pointless post. Take the chip off your shoulder and take it at face value. Regardless of what the club have or haven't done, the crowd was embarrassing. The real fact here is that the people of Salford have the opportunity to change the outcome of the clubs destiny but can't be bothered. Ultimately the same people will be the first to whine when the inevitable happens. The end of this season will be messy in more ways than one. Yes the crowd was terrible.But change it to Manchester it will be none existant.As for the game people are not going to pay £20 to watch what we had last night It was awful.Their was some last night saying we are going backwards. |
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Aug 12, 2017 9:45:33 GMT
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Post by gadger on Aug 12, 2017 9:45:33 GMT
Don't think you'd find many disagreeing about name change having negative impact Dixon, but he's right something does need to change. We do need more fans in the ground, that's not in question
I think awful is a bit harsh, looked like they were just missing a spark, lui was trying but didn't have anyone really helping. I've seen much worse from Salford over recent years, not that I'm saying it's acceptable we need to improve massively.
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Aug 12, 2017 11:01:55 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 12, 2017 11:01:55 GMT
Don't think you'd find many disagreeing about name change having negative impact Dixon, but he's right something does need to change. We do need more fans in the ground, that's not in question I think awful is a bit harsh, looked like they were just missing a spark, lui was trying but didn't have anyone really helping. I've seen much worse from Salford over recent years, not that I'm saying it's acceptable we need to improve massively. I don't have answers re the crowd like you I just get my season ticket and go.You add you have seen worse I am afraid I am at an age where I have seen an awful lot better.Even I was fed up half way through the second half it was just one man rugby if someone went last night for the first time they are not coming back. |
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Aug 12, 2017 12:29:09 GMT
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Post by bigfish on Aug 12, 2017 12:29:09 GMT
So do you think we would have played better tonight if we had have been called Manchester.You got it right at first,we looked a poor side.I thought we were actually clueless and I wasn't on my own. Pointless post. Take the chip off your shoulder and take it at face value. Regardless of what the club have or haven't done, the crowd was embarrassing. The real fact here is that the people of Salford have the opportunity to change the outcome of the clubs destiny but can't be bothered. Ultimately the same people will be the first to whine when the inevitable happens. The end of this season will be messy in more ways than one. Totally agree. For what it's worth I would not be in favour of a name change at all but people need to realise that the general public in Salford really don't give a monkeys about the club and there are no signs of improvement, attendances are on the decline and will soon be down to below 1000 imo. And like you said, the same people staying away will be the first to come and cause trouble if something is announced. Whether we like it or not, something drastic needs to change if we want to compete at the top level. I don't know about everyone else but I'd quite like to watch a decent side that is challenging for honours after the years and years of disappointing rubbish we've served up on the field. |
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Aug 12, 2017 12:52:35 GMT
Post by bonitared on Aug 12, 2017 12:52:35 GMT
A moment of perspective,please.
Cas are the runaway leaders in the competition,scoring tries for fun.
They scored 4 tries against us in 80 minutes. Hardly throwing in the towel.
We never looked like winning but,c'mon,to say we were that bad is an exaggeration.
Start scoring points again and we'll all feel a good deal better.
O'Briens loss of form and/ or our best move being sussed,plus Dobson's absence have been the main problem.
Cue the debate about Evalds. Nothing but good to say about him except that,at the moment I'd give GOB a run for the overall benefit of the team
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Post by JJR on Aug 12, 2017 13:19:00 GMT
The last 3 results weren't that bad considering the range of players we have out from a v small squad and the quality of the opposition. We're moving forward, as Cas have done over the past 4 years.
I do think we should stop prolonged periods of one man bash then on the 5th tackle kick tho, early on ok but let's move away from this after we've settled down. The ball needs to be moved around the forwards with runners backing up. Our one move doesn't now work but throughout the season there have been little moves, Koppy off Brining, McCarthy off Carney and sometimes the forwards have even put shoulder in turned and passed. Why can't we build on this as Cas, Leeds and others do.
We seem to be in a one man bash rut; lacking confidence??
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Aug 12, 2017 13:57:40 GMT
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Aug 12, 2017 13:57:40 GMT
We are definitely lacking confidence. Our attack wasn't great, but a bit of credit has to go to Cas for defending so well.
Agreed, the attendance last night was very very poor. On the bright side, I managed to get served at the bar pretty quickly!
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