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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 13:24:00 GMT
What would everyone do if the unthinkable happens and we leave the city and lose the name?
Follow the new team? I have said previously on here I couldn't do that, as I said on the survey I am Salford and Salford is me.
Follow another team? I can't see me ever following another SL or championship side.
Or my favourite look to work with the RFL to restart a Salford based team and start from the bottom up, fan owned, based in the city and run properly. Not even got the remotest clue on how that would work but sure it would be worth investigating and should the die hards back it well supported.
Hope it doesn't come down to this sort of decision but have the horrible feeling it is one we will all need to make sooner rather than later.
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on May 16, 2017 13:28:28 GMT
Bagsy being player/coach if the latter happens.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 13:54:23 GMT
Hope it doesn't come down to this sort of decision but have the horrible feeling it is one we will all need to make sooner rather than later. Why, do you know something we don't? |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 13:56:40 GMT
Hope it doesn't come down to this sort of decision but have the horrible feeling it is one we will all need to make sooner rather than later. Why, do you know something we don't? No, just call it a hunch, the more I have read of the comments from last nights meeting the more I think it is already a fait accompli. |
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Post by manny on May 16, 2017 14:01:24 GMT
What would everyone do if the unthinkable happens and we leave the city and lose the name? Follow the new team? I have said previously on here I couldn't do that, as I said on the survey I am Salford and Salford is me. Follow another team? I can't see me ever following another SL or championship side. Or my favourite look to work with the RFL to restart a Salford based team and start from the bottom up, fan owned, based in the city and run properly. Not even got the remotest clue on how that would work but sure it would be worth investigating and should the die hards back it well supported. Hope it doesn't come down to this sort of decision but have the horrible feeling it is one we will all need to make sooner rather than later. Here's one to think about. 'IF' the unthinkable happened and Salford changed to Manchester and Swinton adopted the Salford name would you follow the new Salford? Could there be potential for a struggling local rugby club to increase their support base by a couple of thousand overnight to swell their coffers and take them to another level? |
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Post by Carnster on May 16, 2017 14:08:43 GMT
Starting a new Salford team would still defeat the purpose of peoples arguments though. It still wouldn't be the Salford club we've grown up with. It would just be a different club with the same name and I wouldn't be interested in that either. As much as it would disappoint me, if it changed I'd still follow as it would still be the club I've grown up with along with all its history. It's all what ifs at the moment still though...
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Post by manny on May 16, 2017 14:43:41 GMT
It's hypothetical at the moment I know, but I don't honestly think I could be motivated to support a Manchester club after the owner has previously promised the supporters he wouldn't change the Salford name. It would be a matter of principal and totally disrespectful to players and supporters of the club past and present. I watched the Tottenham - 'White Hart Lane' closing event after Sunday's match and found the history of their club and passion of their support quiet moving. Listening to interviews of elderly Spurs supporters who had been going decades and all the stories was really interesting. What is a sports club without a history? Why haven't any of the many London football clubs jumped on the idea of calling themselves after one of the biggest cities in the world? Respect for people's passion and history that's why.
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Post by JJR on May 16, 2017 15:16:41 GMT
Let's get real. Anybody who changes the name or branding on the basis of a half cocked survey undertaken by a non expert is a half wit and I'm sure MK is anything but that. A change of name would probably reduce his fan base even more by splitting the fans. Also anything Red Devil's and Manchester can only be associated with one thing MU. And let's face it they are our main competition for fans. Part of branding is to distinguish yourself from your competition.
To me he's done what he wanted to do ie generate interest from, particularly, the political element of the City and to get his plight highlighted. Last year he was going to leave rugby league.
What he really needs to do now is to use all the expertise that's within the spectators of the club to generate the number of fans. Within the club we have marketeers, salesmen, brand managers, people who know about transporting people, in fact most things needed and also lots of foot soldiers and enthusiasm. So he need to galvanise this. RHP is not going to do that, he's being paid on a consultancy basis but for what? We could have got a proper electronic survey done for free.
The fans are the ones who know the problems and can fix them. I've just been trying to get in touch with the club and on the latest advert 3 different phone no's and if you use 2 of hem you get sent in a loop advertising that this year's season tickets are out to buy and then you get a fourth no. Now the solution to this is not rocket science or branding.
So MK galvanise the fans and utilise their expertise, energy and enthusiasm.
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Post by hillbillyred on May 16, 2017 15:24:42 GMT
Moving is different from the name: Swinton and Oldham do not play in their home towns and Sheffield ... But, again, look at the way the move has affected the support.
Simple: following the club has been a central part of my remaining a Salfordian despite living in Rochdale for nearly 26 years. I have been described as a Rochdalian and even an Oldhamer (I worked there for 17 years) but refuse either/both monikers. The club decides not to be Salford and there goes my tie. So bye bye.
Sad but decided. i will not turn away from RL but I will not have a team.
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Post by manny on May 16, 2017 16:01:41 GMT
Let's get real. Anybody who changes the name or branding on the basis of a half cocked survey undertaken by a non expert is a half wit and I'm sure MK is anything but that. A change of name would probably reduce his fan base even more by splitting the fans. Also anything Red Devil's and Manchester can only be associated with one thing MU. And let's face it they are our main competition for fans. Part of branding is to distinguish yourself from your competition. To me he's done what he wanted to do ie generate interest from, particularly, the political element of the City and to get his plight highlighted. Last year he was going to leave rugby league. What he really needs to do now is to use all the expertise that's within the spectators of the club to generate the number of fans. Within the club we have marketeers, salesmen, brand managers, people who know about transporting people, in fact most things needed and also lots of foot soldiers and enthusiasm. So he need to galvanise this. RHP is not going to do that, he's being paid on a consultancy basis but for what? We could have got a proper electronic survey done for free. The fans are the ones who know the problems and can fix them. I've just been trying to get in touch with the club and on the latest advert 3 different phone no's and if you use 2 of hem you get sent in a loop advertising that this year's season tickets are out to buy and then you get a fourth no. Now the solution to this is not rocket science or branding. So MK galvanise the fans and utilise their expertise, energy and enthusiasm. Talking about survey's I can recall a senior figure at the club telling me about a consultancy company being paid big money for providing a comprehensive report to support our clubs franchise application a few years ago. This several hundred page report apparently was about the positive effect a new stadium at Barton would have on attendance figures. From memory they were estimating crowds in the region of 10,000. Their surveys, research and subsequent report as history has proved was not worth the paper it was printed on, and almost put the club out of business. I just hope MK isn't paying for consultants just looking to make money out of him with total disregard for the consequences. |
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Post by earlybath on May 16, 2017 16:44:57 GMT
Well I must be one of the very few on here who does not accept the rumour.
Marwan cannot keep supporting losses - I understand that - but moving the club 6 miles to a smaller stadium doesn`t ring true to me. The Good Doctor surely knows that the hardcore of 2,000 will not follow into Mcr - so in effect he is gambling with £30k per game before he starts.
The key point for me relates to the Challenge Cup. Should we beat Wakey you will find thousands come out of the woodwork only this time I trust the Marketing people (?) at the club obtain EVERY email address (unlike @ The Willows).
A Semi or even a Final will provide the club with a HUGE boost - far greater than any move out of the City.
I just hope I am not proved wrong at the Weekend.
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Post by JJR on May 16, 2017 16:59:26 GMT
Sadly I think he is, that's what I was saying about the fans. We have the expertise and the knowledge which has been gained over many years. A consultant initially spends ages trying to get to know the place. I used to be one and quite highly paid. I wonder why RHP brought in, what expertise does he have? I wonder if he was brought in to get corporate clients and not succeeded so now his new direction is a the potential club image problem? Remember a consultant own aim is to earn a fee.
There was another survey about 2 or 3 years ago by a company called K2l?? Or something. Had great aims to increase fan base etc, what happened, crowds went down.
As an example look at the effectiveness of this site cf the clubs site. If you get any info from the club it's via twitter, that I refuse to use. I get say IW comments from newsnowrugleague, but the club site never has the interview. The site we're now on is tremendously well run but the club site is dour. Leeds/ Wigans site re great.
This is not IB's fault, he's run off his feet with contracts, putting all the rights wrong from the past etc. So why not employ whoever runs this site to run the clubs site. At probably 25% of the cost and 10x the value. Just a positivehought looking forward!
The expertise and the energy is there but doesn't MK use it?
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Post by Carnster on May 16, 2017 17:01:09 GMT
Maybe it's all a smoke screen and the real announcement is a merger with Leigh! Circumstantial evidence abounds. Chairmen are best mates. RFL would jump at it as it means it wouldn't have to relegate anyone. A financial burden is reduced as we move to the sports village. You heard it here first.  |
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Post by JJR on May 16, 2017 17:02:37 GMT
Early bath there is absolutely no chance of the club leaving the stadium, there is a 25 year lease agreement. The club would have to close or join with another; Leigh(now there's a rumour!) to break the lease.
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Post by JJR on May 16, 2017 17:05:04 GMT
Carnster amazing I was just replying and then read your post!! Pipped at the post, now how about the AJB and surrounds as a racing stadium as well
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