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Post by russ on Oct 26, 2024 6:50:01 GMT
In a lot of ways the discussion about expansion and the size of SL reflects RL's fandom as much as the sport.
When talk of expansion comes around more or less everyone wants it, so much so it's just like El Dorado, always just over the next hill.
Sometimes expansion means admitting York to SL and sometimes it's Goole rather than Bedford.
We all know there is no truly soft landing place for expansion but the risks are seen as far outweighing the rewards and when you add the self centered nature of a sport that gives them no option to be anything else expansion will always be for someone else to actually put in place.
Then again we can barely agree on what expansion is let alone the best way to go about it. And given the lack of both resources and will to go beyond the geographical confines it will remain invisible as a media entity and so is likely to remain that way.
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Post by worsleyreddevil on Oct 26, 2024 9:48:46 GMT
Russ, I agree admitting York into SL is a viable option compared to the heartlands.
The fact that Cas and Wakey are more than a point ahead of us according to IMG is most alarming. I will not take my kids to Cas or Wakey both are **** hole stadiums with limited facilities. In addition, Leigh is not some amazing game day experience. The town is a dump, there are no decent bars or places to eat/drink and you then get a **** tribute act pre match as entertainment. Small town mentality is 'that is great' - not for me I'm afraid if I want that I will go to the local Legion on a Saturday night.
So, the point of my rant above is to ask why we are so far behind other clubs in areas with more deprivation than Salford and much less going on locally both in terms of investment and amenities. The Council have chucked us a lifeline this year after fans campaigned, we had 10k plus in for our last home game, finances aside - Why are the likes of Cas, Wakey and Leigh scoring much more highly than Salford??
Paul King needs to give us a sense of purpose on the IMG grading, Claire Butters is new, and our existing grading happened before her appointment. I at least give Claire credit for sitting down with RL Commercial next week. In addition, the newly elected CBS Board elect need to hold King/Butters accountable on our grading improvement journey, to this point the CBS board have done little I can see that is visible unlike the Supporters Trust (hence I question the value of an elected CBS Board to this point).
If I sound like JJR so, be it, I want transparency moving forward, as a fan and owner.
We need a Club plan that is publicly available to improve under IMG grading criteria that is both clear and also measurable otherwise no matter what happens on the pitch results wise Bradford or Toulouse will take our place in years to come. The time to take action and be accountable is now.
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Post by JJR on Oct 26, 2024 10:36:19 GMT
WRD have a look at the Clubs accounts Nov 2023 on……Companies House…Salford City Reds (2013) and I think you’ll possibly see the other issues…financial…there are reports of owing the Council £1.8M…but we never get to know the real situation even tho we’re shareholders
Apparently large debts, factoring and possibly using next years season ticket sales for last years debts from what can be gathered
Remember last year we sold 3 top players and had the Community income to relieve about £1M
Re IMG; We may gain something from the Ground situation but the finances…who knows?
Toulouse or London or York may gain extra points next year for winning trophies…they’re hot on our heels and we’re one of only 3 clubs that can be replaced. I sincerely hope we go to 14 SL teams next year tho…in my view IMG is doing its job and updating the value of a number of clubs.
We only just scraped in this year and that is reality…we keep hearing stories of £125k income from food, advertising board for £400k, more losns from the Council and grants of a million but in the long term we can’t live on grants and the Councils generosity
So….?
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Post by JJR on Oct 26, 2024 11:18:41 GMT
WRD, I agree re transparency, information, responsibility, accountability, jobs etc
No idea of the structure, people keep appearing in jobs ( presumably not advertised but drawing salaries) we keep hearing positive sound bites but the funding situation seems alarming….with a blame culture always somebody else’s fault…fans not coming ( although near apparent break even of 5k), RFL have shafted us, companies won’t give, the Tory’s are moaning…continual deathly silence on any real info
People are being turned off by this process…but it’s been like this for many years…so will it change…or will there just be another meeting with planned info via forwarded questions to those who are shareholders and season ticket holders
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Post by lhred on Oct 26, 2024 11:35:27 GMT
Well we’re at 13.87 with another point guaranteed now the stadium deal sorted so that’s 14.87 and 15 is a grade a so we’re not far off are we?!img agreed if deal had been sorted the extra would have been added,as for people getting jobs not advertised who are these people?!apart from the woman whose just got the commercial role who else?and as for these cbs groups the 7 who got voted in how many meetings have they had nothing is coming from those groups it’s just all very unprofessional really!
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Post by JJR on Oct 26, 2024 11:49:49 GMT
Of course the sun is shine today LHR…
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Post by lhred on Oct 26, 2024 12:11:00 GMT
Well as Paul king has always said if somebody can do it better put yourself forward,if people are not happy and continually complain put a vote of no confidence in and put someone forward,any takers?it really is that simple if the people at the top are not doing a good job then replace them because Paul king won’t stand in the way I can guarantee that!
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Post by mauricethered on Oct 26, 2024 13:11:26 GMT
Well we’re at 13.87 with another point guaranteed now the stadium deal sorted so that’s 14.87 and 15 is a grade a so we’re not far off are we?!img agreed if deal had been sorted the extra would have been added,as for people getting jobs not advertised who are these people?!apart from the woman whose just got the commercial role who else?and as for these cbs groups the 7 who got voted in how many meetings have they had nothing is coming from those groups it’s just all very unprofessional really! That’s an optimistic view LHRed we may improve under IMG but so will other clubs. Interestingly the club are suggesting they’ve just had their best week ever for commercial sponsorship. To your point on the CBS Board I agree and with WRD, what has this delivered ? They ultimately need to drive change and hold our Ops board accountable as that’s the model. I have little trust in the RFL or RFL commercial if I’m honest bigging up York. |
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Post by russ on Oct 26, 2024 13:22:59 GMT
Russ, I agree admitting York into SL is a viable option compared to the heartlands. The fact that Cas and Wakey are more than a point ahead of us according to IMG is most alarming. I will not take my kids to Cas or Wakey both are **** hole stadiums with limited facilities. In addition, Leigh is not some amazing game day experience. The town is a dump, there are no decent bars or places to eat/drink and you then get a **** tribute act pre match as entertainment. Small town mentality is 'that is great' - not for me I'm afraid if I want that I will go to the local Legion on a Saturday night. So, the point of my rant above is to ask why we are so far behind other clubs in areas with more deprivation than Salford and much less going on locally both in terms of investment and amenities. The Council have chucked us a lifeline this year after fans campaigned, we had 10k plus in for our last home game, finances aside - Why are the likes of Cas, Wakey and Leigh scoring much more highly than Salford?? Paul King needs to give us a sense of purpose on the IMG grading, Claire Butters is new, and our existing grading happened before her appointment. I at least give Claire credit for sitting down with RL Commercial next week. In addition, the newly elected CBS Board elect need to hold King/Butters accountable on our grading improvement journey, to this point the CBS board have done little I can see that is visible unlike the Supporters Trust (hence I question the value of an elected CBS Board to this point). If I sound like JJR so, be it, I want transparency moving forward, as a fan and owner. We need a Club plan that is publicly available to improve under IMG grading criteria that is both clear and also measurable otherwise no matter what happens on the pitch results wise Bradford or Toulouse will take our place in years to come. The time to take action and be accountable is now. Well you certainly brought up alot of stuff there WRD.
If you include York that's fine good club, and moving forward but it has to be said a very limited idea of expansion and one that will never increase RL's media boundaries and artificial limitations.
I agree about Claire Butters entirely.
There's actually nothing wrong with sounding like JJR and yours and his calls for transparency are perfectly reasonable.
Bradford are earmarked for SL and SRD are for the chop because just like Ofsted for example the IMG criteria are not there to simply improve the game they're a restructuring which will never be made clear until the final whistle. Which does put your your calls to the club into perspective.
Toulouse are unlikely to move above us because Leeds. Wigan and Saints are quite clear about not really wanting another french side and getting rid of clubs who don't bring in big fan groups.
In other words York is a prime example and Goole to some extent of pretend expansion which will confirm to the media how small RL sees itself so why would they bother to treat it with respect and cover it accordingly?
And beyond this RL does not have either infrastructure, capabilty or finance to provide expansion in any real and lasting sense.
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Post by JJR on Oct 26, 2024 16:55:16 GMT
Well as Paul king has always said if somebody can do it better put yourself forward,if people are not happy and continually complain put a vote of no confidence in and put someone forward,any takers?it really is that simple if the people at the top are not doing a good job then replace them because Paul king won’t stand in the way I can guarantee that! Sorry we missed the Ads for the jobs so we could consider😉; where were they? |
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Post by lhred on Oct 26, 2024 17:13:37 GMT
Like I said if people are that fed up of the way the club is run put yourself forward talk to Paul he won’t stand in the way if that’s what the majority want he’s always said that,and yes he has faults but anyone else willing to put there house up to help the club like he did to help when debts were piling up or do we just want to sit behind a keyboard saying how rubbish the club is run?!
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Post by JJR on Oct 26, 2024 17:37:27 GMT
Come on even Roslers fed up with that old line…you can do better LHR…good to see they’re doing it for free tho
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Post by russ on Oct 26, 2024 18:16:40 GMT
These petit squabbles are not really useful. I've no doubt that the board are doing the business much better than I ever could.
We all recognise things could be more transparent but to be honest it's hardly anything more than a first world tempest in a chai mug.
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Post by lhred on Oct 26, 2024 20:08:20 GMT
I give up like I said if people want him replacing go and do it go and put your house up against debt no you won’t you will sit here on a forum moaning that things aren’t how you want them,yet it doesn’t seem the majority agree with these keyboard warriors because he’s not been replaced yet!
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Post by russ on Oct 26, 2024 20:49:07 GMT
I give up like I said if people want him replacing go and do it go and put your house up against debt no you won’t you will sit here on a forum moaning that things aren’t how you want them,yet it doesn’t seem the majority agree with these keyboard warriors because he’s not been replaced yet! Your post made me think I had been reading other comments wrong lhred .......
I don't think anyone has said get rid of any board member. and I quote someone who'll remain nameless
" I've no doubt that the board are doing the business much better than I ever could."
And as for "keyboard warriors" for goodness sake !
I would also like to point out that I think the club will smash these silly IMG gradings in much the same way they approached the question of getting an Academy.
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