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Post by russ on Aug 23, 2023 8:56:29 GMT
What does "30 day exclusive negotiating period" mean? It was in the Super League tweet. Does it mean that the RFL are negotiating only with Sky? If so, why don't we just tell Sky that we'll take whatever they want to give us? Let's see how far 10 bob a year stretches? Hello Tony
It means they've given up trying to get the deal to be any better, they're accepting less than last time and it's simply the end of talking to other interested parties.
Or in other words IMG have failed at the first hurdle (it was obvious they would) and SL/RFL have gone back to the screen saver.
You can tell it's bad because there's tons of window dressing about showing all the games and vid refs for every match.
And I'm only posting cos it's you asking at the the moment!
All the best!
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 23, 2023 9:31:59 GMT
Sky need all their money for the next football negotiations because their will certainly be composition for them.
Other sports are just fillers and we are at the bottom of the fillers list.
Yes we have got new people in charge but they are probably as incompetent as the last lot.
If the guy running the premier league told the clubs I have got us the same money as the last deal he would be sacked.
Yes they will be spinning the deal,so they have got video at every game it should have been at every game this season.
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Post by tony13 on Aug 23, 2023 10:47:08 GMT
Thanks to both Russ and Dixon.
I think it's time to give Sky the two-finger salute and do our own thing, perhaps using YouTube. The quality will be poorer, but we will preserve our dignity and we won't be whoring ourselves out to the man with the fattest wallet. They never wanted us, except as a bargaining chip for Aussie RL.
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Post by Old Dave on Aug 23, 2023 11:17:33 GMT
The challenge is finding another broadcaster willing to pay £20+ million and I cannot think who that might be. I believe it would be difficult to attract enough subscribers to make it viable for them. I subscribe to Sky and BT and don't particularly want to pay yet another provider.
As already mentioned moving online will likely mean a drop in quality and in my view unlikely to attract many new people to our sport. I don't have an answer but the moment we became so dependent on Sky thought it would be difficult to move away.
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Post by Carnster on Aug 23, 2023 11:47:51 GMT
On the face of it, less money is never good. A lot of this will depend on what happens to the games that are 'broadcast' but not on Sky. The RFL should be selling those to the higher bidder, be that C4, streaming, or any other.
Profile is everything at the moment, and the more games shown the more chance of engagement from the public, especially those who may be new. Video refs finally in is a big deal that we all know should have been in for years. Better late than never I suppose.
I'd hope that at the very least, each club should be allowed to do payed streams of those broadcast games if their game isn't on Sky. Added revenue for clubs is not to be sniffed at.
What we can't do, is let those broadcast games go for free. I love C4's coverage but they don't contribute any money and in this day and age that is only one rung above the Stobart fiasco.
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Post by Carnster on Aug 23, 2023 11:48:24 GMT
Oh...and Russ....
Stop being a wuss.
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Post by tony13 on Aug 23, 2023 12:33:02 GMT
Oh...and Russ.... Stop being a wuss. Who'd know it, carnster's a poet. 😉 |
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Post by john964 on Aug 23, 2023 13:37:05 GMT
What does "30 day exclusive negotiating period" mean? It was in the Super League tweet. Does it mean that the RFL are negotiating only with Sky? If so, why don't we just tell Sky that we'll take whatever they want to give us? Let's see how far 10 bob a year stretches? Sounds like a negotiated settlement process rather than sealed bid. 1 sealed bid= ask for what you want ( pound apples), get quotes back in sealed envelope, at set time open all envelopes, lowest price ( or highest if selling) wins. 2 negotiated settlement = ask for ideas and prices for what you want ( pound of fruit) get offers back. Ie bidder 1 pound of Apple's £2.00, bidder 2 pound of pears £1.50, etc. Decide what you want, price or apples, then go into 30 day preferred bidder processes talking to one bidder only, to clarify any points. If agreement not reached within 30 days talk to second choice bidder. I assume when they say schedule, less Thursday games, is one point to clarify. Plus what does, if conditions are met up to £3m extra ( what conditions?). Unfortunately those ( like me) who would like to see a new broadcaster seem to be set to be disappointed. Once your in preferred bidder status it's normally a done deal, unless points of clarification can't be sorted out. |
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Post by stadge on Aug 23, 2023 13:52:08 GMT
I'm not sure of the merits of the proposal to show every game. If its all on Sky its onLy going to appeal the already converted, I cannot see how it will broaden the appeal of the game in terms of attracting fans to games. The games will be shoe horned around other sporting events even more so than now. I can imagine kick off times will be spread across the whole weekend with midday, mid afternoon, evening kicks offs. With this scenario I can't see how Season Ticket sales will pitched. If every game is live, the temptation will be there for people to say why bother purchasing. Supporters will be faced with a fixture list that will have so many different matchdays and kick off times it will be bound to clash with work, family commitments, involvement in and supporting other sports more so than now. Everything about this venture with IMG is making the game less appealling to me. Scrapping promotion/relegation is the big one for me. Once sport is decided on anything but events on the pitch it ceases to be a sport.You can have grading criteria (as in non league football) but there is still promotion and relegation with promoted clubs having 12 months to meet ground grading of the higher level.The fact IMG have not published the fan survey doesn't sit well with me. It rather suggests that the results didn't fit their plans.
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Post by tony13 on Aug 23, 2023 13:53:59 GMT
Thanks john964. It sounds to me like we are being sold a mongrel pup dressed up as a pedigree alsation, take it or leave it.
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Post by russ on Aug 23, 2023 18:15:49 GMT
Oh...and Russ.... Stop being a wuss. Well, Carny that about sums it up, take good care of yourself! |
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Post by gadger on Aug 24, 2023 17:38:01 GMT
Oh...and Russ.... Stop being a wuss. Well, Carny that about sums it up, take good care of yourself! That doesn’t even rhyme?? |
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Post by russ on Sept 14, 2023 9:04:46 GMT
We all need a pinch of salt for this one as it's SARL for a start www.seriousaboutrl.com/super-league-games-to-be-broadcast-worldwide-81825/so SKY have more product for less money and the IMG payoff for this is every game live plus being shown all over the world. The reasoning for ignoring worries about game crowds falling is that this has not been the case for other sports. Once again IMG/RFL/SL ignore the fact that other sports have media coverage either commensurate with their standing and in some cases far beyond their actual product quality. IMG seem to be banking on a bigger spread of the word to overcome long standing social limits RL media existence. The idea that reffing will be more sorted with video at every game is a big assumption given how often people have been unhappy with televised games this season. Every time I read about this Sky agreement Sky come out on top and are the only people with business accumen of any kind. The IMG model looks like the NRL idea that you take a few games to Las Vegas and you kill the U S market. Well, that's worked well so far hasn't it? |
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Post by Carnster on Sept 14, 2023 14:44:20 GMT
SARL is about as reliable as Paul Cullan's honest work on the Match review panel...
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Post by russ on Sept 14, 2023 17:21:39 GMT
SARL is about as reliable as Paul Cullan's honest work on the Match review panel... But beyond that Carnster what do you think of IMG's efforts so far, and does this strike you as making RL a more valuable and sellable product in England? |
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