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Post by kreuzbergred on Apr 13, 2023 20:32:10 GMT
Verbal DIAHORREA XXXL
From Mcdermott & Wilkin tonight on Skysports, Even Stuart Pyke knows their talking out of their Arse
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Post by BDD on Apr 13, 2023 20:52:44 GMT
Home form strikes again... bizarre.
I thought the ref had a good game.
Wright and Dupree great again. Stone has his best game - try saver and great chase back for a break. Watkins always offers himself. We need to get more out of King and Ormonroyd.
Effort is definitely there across the board. We're just lacking execution at the moment, especially in home games. Huge two points with a really tough stretch coming up. Maybe that stretch will temper us and bring out our best.
Why didn't we take the two at the start of the second half?
When we shift the ball out wide our players seem to be receiving it too deep which allows the defence to easily adjust to our play. It's been obvious in a few games.
Carrying on from the first half, last play kicks. Second half kicks:
1) Sneyd: Much better. Grubber in the corner, knock out by them
2) Second time in the game we passed to a forward on the last tackle 🤦
3) Sneyd: kicked from within their half. No height. No challenge. Easy take on the 15m.
4) Sneyd: Shocker. From their 35m, kick goes in the air, no heigh at all, only reaches their 20m. They pick it up after we bat the ball and they start at the 30m and we start out next set 3m from our line.
5) Sneyd: Poor Just inside our half, straight to their winger with plenty of time to split their FB and W and lots of room to drop it in behind. Start on their 25m.
6) Sneyd: Deep in their half. No height.for the chase. They collect on the 10m with no challenge.
7) Croft: Better. Just inside their half, they catch their 5m and we tackle them inside the 10m. Shame it wasn't a bit higher.
8) Sneyd: Kick from in their half. Decent height to allow the chase to get their as the catch but it only travelled to the 20m.
9) Watkins: Shouldn't have been with Wtajong but it was almost the best kick of the night. Chip oflver the top and it almost bounced for him but they start on the 30/35m again.
10) Sneyd: Little chip. Better idea. Almost scored as Burgess tried to tap it inside. But, why isn't it a bit higher and a bit deeper.
11) Sneyd: His best kick. Just inside out half with time. Looks up. Kicks low and hard. Splits the FB and W. FB picks the ball up on his try line.
I make that one very good last tackle. A few okay ones. But probably 75% poor.
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Post by redunderthebed on Apr 13, 2023 22:25:16 GMT
Agree our kicking game was poor tonight. Not all as bad as BDB thinks. Don’t mind a short pass on the 5th near the oppo line and handing over a few metres short. Any kick that ends up with the 1st play 10m out is a good kick and/or chase. But there were some absolute shockers tonight. The last one Sneyd did well to spot there was no full back in place and drilled it deep.
As for rest of the game. What happened to Rowleyball 😂
I think we’re playing like we did early last season but we’re grinding our more wins. We are doing a lot of lateral passing with decent shape but without having pulled the defensive numbers around so there’s no gaps or overlaps. Think we’d have been better with some short passing round the middle. To be fair Cas defended well and read our moves most times.
Thought we were the better team and ground it out. Our defence was very impressive for most of the game and our first try was a classic. It was no classic match overall but it was a win!
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Post by chief on Apr 13, 2023 22:40:50 GMT
Agree our kicking game was poor tonight. Not all as bad as BDB thinks. Don’t mind a short pass on the 5th near the oppo line and handing over a few metres short. Any kick that ends up with the 1st play 10m out is a good kick and/or chase. But there were some absolute shockers tonight. The last one Sneyd did well to spot there was no full back in place and drilled it deep. As for rest of the game. What happened to Rowleyball 😂 I think we’re playing like we did early last season but we’re grinding our more wins. We are doing a lot of lateral passing with decent shape but without having pulled the defensive numbers around so there’s no gaps or overlaps. Think we’d have been better with some short passing round the middle. To be fair Cas defended well and read our moves most times. Thought we were the better team and ground it out. Our defence was very impressive for most of the game and our first try was a classic. It was no classic match overall but it was a win! Just about sums it up for me. I have no problem running the ball in close to the line on the sixth tackle and handing over 5 from their line. Better than a seven set from the twenty if there is no clear kick option. |
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Post by redunderthebed on Apr 13, 2023 22:43:24 GMT
Oh. And one more thought. We have to get better at defending looping passes to the winger in our right edge. We give so many tries away there
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Apr 14, 2023 7:26:26 GMT
Another unspectacular win but I'll take it!
Shane Wright was the best player on the pitch by some distance.
If we're still managing to grind out wins without playing at our best, I can't wait to see how we fair when we hit top form.
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Post by JJR on Apr 14, 2023 8:09:15 GMT
Apparently Croft been ill all week and playing two games in 5 days, it’s a great grinding win. One for the purists as Rowley said…I liked it🤣
Kicking 1st half…did nobody check that the strong wind was blowing from the west ….corner to corner so that our high balls carried another 20 yards often into the dead ball area? Second half kicking much better but we need to put pressure on teams and not try and win the game on every 6.
Brierleys defence getting much better but he has to get across the back line aka Oz full backs and help stop those silly tries from looping passes into the corner. Having said that our scrambling defence near the line was brilliant…saved 3 or 4 tries. Really good win.
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Post by mauricethered on Apr 14, 2023 8:17:23 GMT
Our first half kicking on the last was an embarrassment, nowhere near good enough gifting them 7 tackles. I also feel that teams have worked us out - Crofts pass to the 2nd row and Brierley coming into the line, we need to mix it up with plays down the middle.
The positives - Sam Stone had his best game in Salford shirt, Brierley was immense in defence and Shane Wright again shows why he is our best forward atm, we need to retain him next year. Other than that it was a short turn around with key players either just coming back or missing.
Need a big crowd at home V Cats
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Post by JJR on Apr 14, 2023 8:48:30 GMT
Why does nobody mention Watkins, awesome with the hard yards and defence…Man of the Match for me
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Post by mrg on Apr 14, 2023 8:52:19 GMT
Watkins played like a prop with some of his carries
Widdop clocked Shane Wright squarely in the face when he scored. - our first game of the season it the same thing was given as an 8 point try against us.
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Post by BDD on Apr 14, 2023 8:55:19 GMT
Seems Rowley thought our last tackle plays were poor all night too. Hopefully, we see an improvement.
I agree that if they start in their 10m it's a decent kick... problem is that almost every kick meant they started on their 20m and sometimes 30m and that's been constant all season. Now, I know that will happen if you're kicking form deep but the vast majority of our kicks were from inside their half. There's no reason the ball shouldn't be getting closer to their line.
Sneyd's best two kicks were his first and last in the second half. The first was in the low and into the corner and Evalds knocked-on. The last kick he actually looked and picked a spot and drill it deep (something he didn't do and a kick from a similar place a few sets earlier).
The only high kicks that went inside their 10 were the two from Brodie. One, was unfortunate that it came down half a metre short of their line. Their player put his foot behind the line and they got a 7 tackle set. The other kick came down around their five and we tackled Evalds inside the 10m.
You can't let the top teams start from their 20m - 30m on every set. I'd like to see us vary our kick choice more. Ensure that kicks from inside their half are landing in the 10m - mix high and drilled kicks into space. Take the option to kick early some times - if we're struggling for momentum and field position, having to kick from deep set after set, like in the games against Wakey and Hudds, attempt a 20/40 on tackle three as they are unexpected or pump the ball deep on tackle four. When teams compress and wingers drop back, a cross-field kick, or run in from time to time. How about a reverse chip over the top here and there, into the middle of the field for Brierley?
We're inventive with ball in had but our kicking game is lacking. When Saints beat us in the semi last year, it was because of their kicking game, especially grubber kicks. Coaches often say it's hard to plan for Salford because we aren't predictable with ball in hand... I'd like to see that be the same for our kicking game.
As for running near the line. I don't have a problem if there is a potential play on and it's planned. But, on those two occasions there was no play on and it seems to be that we lost track of the tackle count. Surely a grubber kick through the line would be a better option?
At least you are giving yourself an opportunity of a better outcome rather than kick the ball straight the the FB to catch in on his 20/30m. Take the Hudds game. Pryce barely had to move to catch most kicks... surely from half way you can look and drill the ball to the try line between a FB and W?
I really think that if we want to win something our kicking game needs to be better to win the territory battle. Yes, we can blow any team away on our day, Saints last year, Warrington first half this year. But, in the grind against those top teams, getting the ball inside the 10 and into the corner is what's wins you the battle, because those first 3/4 drives become very predictable.
Outside the kicking game. I agree on Cross. He needs to have more patience. That pass over the top or a kick in behind was on all-day long for Cas but they never exploited it. I get you sometimes have to rush out to close a play down, but the majority of time a little patience and squaring up is the better option and allow the defence to slide. In the last two games we seem to have been giving up more yardage on the left edge too.
Agree regarding team's figuring out much of our attack. Players seem to be a bit too deep collecting the ball as we swing it. Our timing is off but I think it'll come. Also, we have nobody on the inside of Croft so when he puts his step on its easy to defend him. Last year we always seemed to have somebody pushing with him.
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Post by SalfordSlim on Apr 14, 2023 10:39:42 GMT
Watkins played like a prop with some of his carries Widdop clocked Shane Wright squarely in the face when he scored. - our first game of the season it the same thing was given as an 8 point try against us. I was screaming that at the time about the head contact. Far worse than Watkins against Wire yet nothing given. Really does seem like one rule for one and one for another. No consistency at all. Also want to single out the 6 again nonsense. I think the first 5/6 times we were given one it was on the 1st tackle deep in our own half. Where's the advantage in that? Give a penalty, let us make 20 metres and start our set near the halfway line. There's f*ck all advantage getting the extra tackle in such poor field position. Apart from what's been said above don't think I've got much to add. We're certainly pretty "ugly" to watch at home at the minute but all that counts is the 2 points for me. If we've got another 20-30% in us then we're going to be a danger to anyone. We really do need big Tim back as he causes so much havoc that you just don't get from Costello/Cross. He's huge for us. 3 big games coming up. If we can get a couple of wins that would be great. Leeds are very much beatable (even at Headingley!), Catalans will be a real handful and Saints surely have to come good sometime soon don't they? |
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Post by dixon13 on Apr 14, 2023 11:52:29 GMT
I am more interested in the 2 points than the performance
I personally think our kicking game as been average at best
Someone said last night putt the ball on the half way hammer it in the direction of the post and get repeated drop outs.
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Post by BDD on Apr 14, 2023 17:40:06 GMT
Watkins played like a prop with some of his carries Widdop clocked Shane Wright squarely in the face when he scored. - our first game of the season it the same thing was given as an 8 point try against us. I was screaming that at the time about the head contact. Far worse than Watkins against Wire yet nothing given. Really does seem like one rule for one and one for another. No consistency at all. Also want to single out the 6 again nonsense. I think the first 5/6 times we were given one it was on the 1st tackle deep in our own half. Where's the advantage in that? Give a penalty, let us make 20 metres and start our set near the halfway line. There's f*ck all advantage getting the extra tackle in such poor field position. Apart from what's been said above don't think I've got much to add. We're certainly pretty "ugly" to watch at home at the minute but all that counts is the 2 points for me. If we've got another 20-30% in us then we're going to be a danger to anyone. We really do need big Tim back as he causes so much havoc that you just don't get from Costello/Cross. He's huge for us. 3 big games coming up. If we can get a couple of wins that would be great. Leeds are very much beatable (even at Headingley!), Catalans will be a real handful and Saints surely have to come good sometime soon don't they? He had a bit of a bloody mouth after that. High shot all day. Nothing malicious. Six-agains are helping defences more than the offence at least 50% of the time, which shouldn't be the case. Our first three were ok the first tackle. Twice inside out 20 and one was around the 30. In Oz they give a full penalty if it's inside your own 40 which I think is much better. But, I'd like to see a full penalty inside your own 30 or the opponents 30. The first punishes teams who are tacking advantage of sex;agains to slow down Thier opponents inside the 20. The second gives you the chance to take a kick at goal if you want it... Imagine there's a minute to go, being two points behind in a game, or level, and the opponents holding you down under the sticks only to get a six-again instead of a shot at goal? It's mental for me. |
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Post by BDD on Apr 15, 2023 9:37:19 GMT
Great kicking performance from Harry Smith last night:
Early kicks into the corner to turn their FB and W in poor conditions.
Early kick for a 40/20 just as Warrington were putting in a good defensive set.
Varied kicking game from within their 20/30 ; some high, quite a few along the ground. Won some repeat sets
Early DG, which I really liked. I don't understand why teams don't do this more. My thought has always been, if you are 6/12 points up and get a penalty in front of the sticks the mentality is to kick the two points to make is a 2/3 score game. A drop goal does the same. If you are 15/20m out, kick the DG, stretch the lead to an extra score, get the ball back. It's likely an easy kick too given they won't expect it or pressure you.
That's what we need if we're to win something. Sneyd is more than capable.
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