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Post by Carnster on Apr 8, 2023 19:39:36 GMT
Score was closer than reality showed. Thought Atkin was outstanding and Croft had a decent run. Wright and Dupree were excellent. King V showed that he has someway to go before he's a solid SL player. i also thought, barring the Leigh home support constantly calling for forward passes, that we got the rub of the green with decisions from the ref. I'm hoping that those of us quick to point at the officials remember this game as a point of balance. Fifty-fifty calls definitely went our way for a change. I believe a number of contributors on here attack anyone who criticises referees. We won today and we may well have had the rub of the green,but none of that negates the fact that in my opinion the referee was poor in many ways and showed his lack of refereeing techniques and knowledge of the game. I didn't think he had a bad game. there didn't seem to be many calls that were wrong. The video ref decision to overturn a no-try was a bit contentious but I thought the ref was pretty good. Just goes to show how different events can be interpreted, which is why I tend to ignore the constant berating of refs. |
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Post by kilop on Apr 8, 2023 21:07:05 GMT
Personally just can't see the point in talking about the ref full stop. Leigh will no doubt feel hard done by, but he didn't miss the tackles or the opportunities which they bombed and vice versa when our fans whinge. We were the better team on a whole and it does feel like we have another gear or 2 to go up, it just doesn't seem to be clicking fully yet. We look like we're playing at about 70% of our potential in attack. Understandable I guess as croft and watkins aren't going to be given as much space as they were last year to destroy teams and we don't seem to have fully clicked with other combinations. Not sure what's happening on right side of attack, buts it's gone a bit AWOL so needs working on as I'm not sure if cross is even playing half the time. Defencisvely, we dropped off a lot of tackles which was poor and didn't seem to learn about the impact their 9 had around the play the ball and kept leaving big gaps for him to exploit. Atkin was superb as was Tyler. Wins a win, but have to acknowledge that, that was also the first time I've watched us this season and realised we do need another prop, playing 2 2nd rows there really knocked us and we needed Tyler back on to steady the ship otherwise that could have got away from us. Hopefully we can step it up next week against Cas. Happy red tho  |
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Post by BDD on Apr 8, 2023 21:14:12 GMT
I thought he had a good game. There was nothing that I really disagreed with, like Smith against Warrington. He gave us the ball when he adjudged Reynolds knocked on whole tackling Brodie, I think it should have been their ball.
The video ref overturning the on-field call was dubious. From the angle he looked at, you could be a couple of inches off the ball and it would look like your hand wa on it. The ref was side on and sent it up as a no try. He had one quick look at that angle, not in slow mo or with any zoom. I'd guess he had his hand on it but I didn't see concrete proof to overturn the on-field.
You always get six agains and they are inconsistent, at best, but that's across the board, not one particular red. They often seem to go with momentum and the crowd. How some things aren't given for slowing down the play or flopping is beyond me... flopping doesn't seem to be in the banned book anymore.
I bet in any game you could find six agains given for slowing down the PTB but tackles that are even slower in the same game go unpunished.
I think the ref today was as fair and did well.
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Post by BDD on Apr 8, 2023 21:18:21 GMT
Personally just can't see the point in talking about the ref full stop. Leigh will no doubt feel hard done by, but he didn't miss the tackles or the opportunities which they bombed and vice versa when our fans whinge. We were the better team on a whole and it does feel like we have another gear or 2 to go up, it just doesn't seem to be clicking fully yet. We look like we're playing at about 70% of our potential in attack. Understandable I guess as croft and watkins aren't going to be given as much space as they were last year to destroy teams and we don't seem to have fully clicked with other combinations. Not sure what's happening on right side of attack, buts it's gone a bit AWOL so needs working on as I'm not sure if cross is even playing half the time. Defencisvely, we dropped off a lot of tackles which was poor and didn't seem to learn about the impact their 9 had around the play the ball and kept leaving big gaps for him to exploit. Atkin was superb as was Tyler. Wins a win, but have to acknowledge that, that was also the first time I've watched us this season and realised we do need another prop, playing 2 2nd rows there really knocked us and we needed Tyler back on to steady the ship otherwise that could have got away from us. Hopefully we can step it up next week against Cas. Happy red tho Agree with this. We really need to tidy up our penalties and cut down on a few dumb decisions - playing when it simply is not on (we weren't guilty of that today but have been in most games). What I really want now is a home performance. We we've been poor in all three games and we're lucky to beat Wakey. We really need to find a gear at home. We'll also be much better when Lafai and Partington come back. Gerrard will make a difference too. He's a far better 13 for me than Addy, if we spell Partington, and is decent at prop too. |
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Post by kilop on Apr 8, 2023 21:45:23 GMT
Personally just can't see the point in talking about the ref full stop. Leigh will no doubt feel hard done by, but he didn't miss the tackles or the opportunities which they bombed and vice versa when our fans whinge. We were the better team on a whole and it does feel like we have another gear or 2 to go up, it just doesn't seem to be clicking fully yet. We look like we're playing at about 70% of our potential in attack. Understandable I guess as croft and watkins aren't going to be given as much space as they were last year to destroy teams and we don't seem to have fully clicked with other combinations. Not sure what's happening on right side of attack, buts it's gone a bit AWOL so needs working on as I'm not sure if cross is even playing half the time. Defencisvely, we dropped off a lot of tackles which was poor and didn't seem to learn about the impact their 9 had around the play the ball and kept leaving big gaps for him to exploit. Atkin was superb as was Tyler. Wins a win, but have to acknowledge that, that was also the first time I've watched us this season and realised we do need another prop, playing 2 2nd rows there really knocked us and we needed Tyler back on to steady the ship otherwise that could have got away from us. Hopefully we can step it up next week against Cas. Happy red tho Agree with this. We really need to tidy up our penalties and cut down on a few dumb decisions - playing when it simply is not on (we weren't guilty of that today but have been in most games). What I really want now is a home performance. We we've been poor in all three games and we're lucky to beat Wakey. We really need to find a gear at home. We'll also be much better when Lafai and Partington come back. Gerrard will make a difference too. He's a far better 13 for me than Addy, if we spell Partington, and is decent at prop too. Some of the penalties we give away are ridiculous, it feels like we've never truly got this out of our game since the "lost Marshall year" where it went to another level. THe like of which I have never seen before. Some of it is so basic and repeatable infringements early in the game when fatgure cannot be blamed. I understand there are tactics to slow ptb and defence power plays in certain areas of the pitch at times, but some of it just shows a lack of inteligence and not listening to referees when they talk to you. With reference to playing when it's not on. I get it, and it's gone around in my head numerous times and I just don't think we will ever be that team. It doesn't appear to be in Rowley DNA. Doesn't mean we can't have a plan B and slow things down a bit, but we will always force a pass. Tbh give me that kind of rugby every time that overcoached systematic boring % rugby. Rowleyball is the most entertaining rugby I have watched during my time watching Salford, so gotta take the ups and the downs of the rollarcoaster |
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Post by JJR on Apr 9, 2023 5:48:19 GMT
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Post by JJR on Apr 9, 2023 6:59:49 GMT
Good win and in a match in which we always seemed to be in control of because of Sneyds leadership and Atkins guile. Passing must be the best in RL. Defensively good but I still think Brierley needs to get across the backline Oz style to counter these edge tries.
Can’t keep Dupree playing these massive minutes tho; need some cover. Greenwood missing again so would think he’s on the way out to free up some funds. Greenwood Sarge and Lannon not coming up to the plate makes it really hard esp with injuries to Partington Lafai Gerrard Sidlow But last year we only called on Sarge Greenwood Lannon Sita Burke Costello Wells a few times, so similar pattern.
Ref was jittery early on with penalties but calmed down…we were on the half way line and it seemed the touch judge was making a lot of the crucial decisions for the ref…a compliment for them at last
So quick turnaround for Thursday….Ormondroyd was out running early doors so hopefully there for then..King V needs to start firing tho.
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Post by JJR on Apr 9, 2023 8:07:31 GMT
Unsung hero….Shane Wright
Most tackles. 48
Most metres 119
But Team tackles missed 36
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Post by andyjc7 on Apr 9, 2023 8:30:20 GMT
Refs have a tough job with so many penalties being subjective like knock on / strip but they get the vast majority right
What frustrates is how quick they seem to be to give yellows for professional fouls like Brierley yesterday , the 2 he’s had this season seem harsh but can’t remember us being on the right end of one yet which is surprising when you think how many line breaks we make
I know the refs are assessed each week but only by their peers so they’re never going to be too harsh and I think they get marked down for not giving a yellow in that situation
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Post by BDD on Apr 9, 2023 8:42:21 GMT
I think that was a tough yellow. He released him pretty quickly, quicker then many other tackles and Ipape seemed to jump on the floor to milk it. Also, players were back and set. Similar with the yellow he received last time. He was up pretty quick, yet we see so many tackles where players are clearly slowing the PTB down go unpunished. As I mentioned earlier, it seems to me these type of penalties seem to be given with the momentum of the game (or a raucous crowd). It's almost like something subconscious happens where the internal clock in a ref's head speeds up when a team has momentum.
But, as I said earlier, I think on balance it's one of the better ref performances this season.
Good stats on Wright JJR. I mentioned him earlier in the thread. I think he's the most improved player this season. Great support for the Croft try too.
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Post by JJR on Apr 9, 2023 9:36:42 GMT
Refs…I think we’re trying to speed the game up too much in this country, it becomes refs responsibility and they suffer because they’re trying to keep the game moving at high speed.
Hudds last week always had 3 in a tackle, as they do in Oz, which naturally slows the game down; we often just have two.
But I still don’t understand 6 again rule. To me the rule that needs tightening is the offside rule which Saints Wigan seem to not bother about
Good to see linesmen playing a part yesterday.
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Post by mauricethered on Apr 10, 2023 7:10:31 GMT
The lack Props nearly caught up with us, In the 2nd half they had a field day up the middle. We did well in the end even though we had a player in the Sin Bin. I thought Costello made some big plays especially in the 2nd half pouncing on the loose ball. Even Stone raised his levels which was pleasing to see. Final shout out to Atkin who was class for the third try and a massive effort from Wright.
I'd snap Wigan's hand off right now for Mago on a two week loan.
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Post by dixon13 on Apr 10, 2023 11:28:46 GMT
Refs have a tough job with so many penalties being subjective like knock on / strip but they get the vast majority right What frustrates is how quick they seem to be to give yellows for professional fouls like Brierley yesterday , the 2 he’s had this season seem harsh but can’t remember us being on the right end of one yet which is surprising when you think how many line breaks we make I know the refs are assessed each week but only by their peers so they’re never going to be too harsh and I think they get marked down for not giving a yellow in that situation Maybe I am one might occasionally go on about referee's I was at Wembley in 1969 when the referee definitely did Rob us I was there at Old Trafford when kendal definitely did us know favour's you say a lot of calls are subjective Well if they are subjective don't give them. Bye the way the Boys certainly thought it was try in 69 as did a few Cas lads |
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Post by JJR on Apr 10, 2023 11:54:49 GMT
Re 1969, Dixon I did ask Chris Hesketh and he maintains it was a try…and the elbow of Hartley on zburgess oh for the video ref.
You can add the Challenge Cup final a couple of years ago Dixon where Pauli at 6’5” was penalised for not standing up fully to ptb from which the drop goal,emerged
The more inexperienced refs to me always seem a bit hyper at the start and then start giving penalties for minor static things and 6 again ( which nobody understands) but missing dynamic things like forward passes and the big one offside at the ptb
Watched Leeds v Hudds and Thaler, to me, did a decent controlled job BUT surely the video refs should be used more fully…we see it so why can’t they advise the ref as they do in RU?
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Post by dixon13 on Apr 10, 2023 12:50:54 GMT
Re 1969, Dixon I did ask Chris Hesketh and he maintains it was a try…and the elbow of Hartley on zburgess oh for the video ref. You can add the Challenge Cup final a couple of years ago Dixon where Pauli at 6’5” was penalised for not standing up fully to ptb from which the drop goal,emerged The more inexperienced refs to me always seem a bit hyper at the start and then start giving penalties for minor static things and 6 again ( which nobody understands) but missing dynamic things like forward passes and the big one offside at the ptb Watched Leeds v Hudds and Thaler, to me, did a decent controlled job BUT surely the video refs should be used more fully…we see it so why can’t they advise the ref as they do in RU? JJR I talked to Billy Kirkbride many a time in the club even they thought it was a try As you say when Dennis Hartley Smashed Billy Burgess's jaw he didn't send him off I am not saying we would have won but Ronny Hill was kicking well and it's 11 all I can still see the incident as plain as day When Hesketh went over the line Referee Brown from Preston living in Yorkshire was 10 yards behind him.It wasn't the linesman who disallowed the try it was Brown himself The part I can't get my head round was the part it's subjective if its subjective a person is guessing I honestly believe with some referee's their is a subconscious bias to the so called bigger team rant over |
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