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Post by dixon13 on Nov 13, 2016 16:16:12 GMT
If we playing Rugby League over here What on earth are Australia playing over there.
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Post by Carnster on Nov 13, 2016 16:57:17 GMT
NRL is better than SL, simply. They also have the bonus of it being their National sport, more money, more amateur clubs, more kids playing it, and therefore more talent to pick from.
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 13, 2016 17:26:47 GMT
NRL is better than SL, simply. They also have the bonus of it being their National sport, more money, more amateur clubs, more kids playing it, and therefore more talent to pick from. It was still their national sport in the 40 50 and 60 when we beat them.The trouble was we started getting these second rate Aussie coaches comming over telling us to copy them.Now our Super League is the B movie. |
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Post by Carnster on Nov 13, 2016 18:13:09 GMT
NRL is better than SL, simply. They also have the bonus of it being their National sport, more money, more amateur clubs, more kids playing it, and therefore more talent to pick from. It was still their national sport in the 40 50 and 60 when we beat them.The trouble was we started getting these second rate Aussie coaches comming over telling us to copy them.Now our Super League is the B movie. Not really the big picture. We beat them at those times because their set-up and governing body were currently worse than the RFL is now. They then said enough is enough, and they in fact sent people all over the world to look at how top sports teams and sporting bodies succeed. They then went back to Oz and implemented what they thought was best for Ozzie RL and invested heavily into the areas that needed it. They've overtook us by such a degree in this area that we'll never it get it back. Back in the 40's, 50's etc RL was a very popular sport that did well because its social connections were still strong with the Labour movement that was strong after the war. That strength and ties has dwindled over the decades and the rise of football has drawn it away. We may be the home of RL but we are still a parochial sport in the UK which is the exact opposite in Australia. They caught us up, then overtook us. Simple really. |
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Post by russ on Nov 13, 2016 18:18:59 GMT
If it was a matter of light years then SL players who went to the NRL would struggle to a man, the fact that they don't and even prosper shows this.
I'm not sure it was as dominant in the 40's, 50's and 60's and SOO has created a level of dominance both domestically and in terms of the game they play.
Allied with the things Carnster mentioned it is easy to see why we might struggle. We need sensible long term plans that the RFL seem to find hard, but they're too busy bashing MK for not agreeing with them to put any systems in place.
Knee jerk reaction to defeat is the least useful way to go about the changes needed but it's all we'll get for a while.
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Post by Carnster on Nov 13, 2016 18:27:02 GMT
If it was a matter of light years then SL players who went to the NRL would struggle to a man, the fact that they don't and even prosper shows this. I'm not sure it was as dominant in the 40's, 50's and 60's and SOO has created a level of dominance both domestically and in terms of the game they play. Allied with the things Carnster mentioned it is easy to see why we might struggle. We need sensible long term plans that the RFL seem to find hard, but they're too busy bashing MK for not agreeing with them to put any systems in place. Knee jerk reaction to defeat is the least useful way to go about the changes needed but it's all we'll get for a while. We're not light years behind, but we are behind. A lot can't be avoided though. The sports status, money, popularity. Almost impossible to change. The amateur game and well defined structures for the best youngsters to succeed are achievable but wont happen. We'll not catch them up while they are ahead. The reason SL players that go to Oz succeed on the whole is because they are usually the best that we produce. We're talking what? the top 2%? So it's obvious that they'll do well. We will beat the ozzies from time to time, but I think we'll never win another series against them. Certainly not in my lifetime. That's not negativity or a knee-jerk reaction to another loss. It's just obvious when you look at it rationally. |
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Post by russ on Nov 13, 2016 18:50:03 GMT
"If you look at the context of the game we competed well, but made errors," he said.
The problem is our inability to continually maintain pressure... not finding the sideline on two occasions, which is pretty important in any context let alone against the best team in the world. Then the stupid penalties we continually give away.
England are very capable of being a lot better than they are right now. A lot closer than all of you in this room realise."
Wayne Bennet on Sky Sports
Pretty good summing up of the differences I thought. Who'd a thought it Wayne the only level head in the room?
I didn't think yours was a knee jerk Carnster and there are things you can change just not all the things you mention here.
A few more internationals a year would help a lot!
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 13, 2016 20:05:31 GMT
"If you look at the context of the game we competed well, but made errors," he said. The problem is our inability to continually maintain pressure... not finding the sideline on two occasions, which is pretty important in any context let alone against the best team in the world. Then the stupid penalties we continually give away. England are very capable of being a lot better than they are right now. A lot closer than all of you in this room realise." Wayne Bennet on Sky Sports Pretty good summing up of the differences I thought. Who'd a thought it Wayne the only level head in the room? I didn't think yours was a knee jerk Carnster and there are things you can change just not all the things you mention here. A few more internationals a year would help a lot! We will never compete until we have a competition as strong as theirs. |
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Post by middleman on Nov 14, 2016 12:45:08 GMT
Australia picked a settled 6-7 , rather than try a different halves combination for every game then - bizarrely pick two stand-offs who'd barely played together to play the most dangerous team in the world ....
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 14, 2016 15:23:23 GMT
Australia picked a settled 6-7 , rather than try a different halves combination for every game then - bizarrely pick two stand-offs who'd barely played together to play the most dangerous team in the world .... Australia could have picked 3 sets of half backs.They say you score and we will score twice.Wayne Bennett is a wonderful coach one of the best.But game in Australia is evolving even past him and people like Tim Steens.I will ask you do you think any Super League coach would get a job in Ozz and I don't mean making the OXO.It always shows when we play internationals just how clueless and short sighted the people running the game and running the League are.I exclude Mr Koucash because I think he realises the problem but the rest of them will be back in their ivory towers spouting how good Super League is but nobody with any sense agrees with them rant over. |
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Post by rednotdead on Nov 14, 2016 18:07:54 GMT
I wouldn't say we're light years behind the Aussies but we are at 6,7 and 9. Unfortunately these positions are the most critical from an attacking sense. I personally don't consider Kevin Brown international class and can't see why he started in place of Williams
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Post by Carnster on Nov 14, 2016 18:32:05 GMT
I wouldn't say we're light years behind the Aussies but we are at 6,7 and 9. Unfortunately these positions are the most critical from an attacking sense. I personally don't consider Kevin Brown international class and can't see why he started in place of Williams Denis Betts. |
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Post by rednotdead on Nov 14, 2016 19:01:40 GMT
I know carnster. It's jobs for the boys. He's good but not up to the required level. He didn't do a lot wrong but Williams created more in twenty minutes than Brown did in an hour
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Post by Carnster on Nov 14, 2016 19:19:50 GMT
I know carnster. It's jobs for the boys. He's good but not up to the required level. He didn't do a lot wrong but Williams created more in twenty minutes than Brown did in an hour Totally agree. I've never rated Brown. He's not terrible, but he's certainly not International quality. |
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Post by tony13 on Nov 14, 2016 20:52:44 GMT
Carnster, I like the point about the Aussies taking the best practice from all over the world then going back and implementing it. It leads me to the point that our RFL do not run the game in the UK, the clubs do! The RFL then have to negotiate a path through the swamp that doesn't upset too many of the clubs (screw Salford, by all means, but Wigan, Leeds?). There is no leadership. There is nobody telling the clubs "This is the way we are going to do it. Get on with it!" The clubs need to surrender their control of the game and hand it over to a real governing body. How you finance that governing body is a good question, though.
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