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Sept 4, 2021 16:25:39 GMT
Post by mauricethered on Sept 4, 2021 16:25:39 GMT
Firstly there was effort there today. Thought the backs did far too much work for the whole game, the forwards were poor. I know we're missing forwards but only Roberts, Johnson and Luckley made yards. Greg Burke was awful, usually steady but was at fault for the first two tries and constantly had his back turned at marker - maybe he is not fit. I'd sign Roberts up tomorrow as only he and Luckley offload.
We have Ata on a try before we buy until the end of the season, he was decent. Atkin did well as did Kev running in more than some forwards. Burgess and Sio are wasted if we play without any forward thrust.
Based on Wednesdays meeting I believe Marshall will most probably be in charge next year. A replacement for Tui is a must. Escare also has to get more ball in hand.
Lots to improve upon, if Cas had there half backs fit thats a much more one sided game.
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Sept 4, 2021 16:35:14 GMT
Post by Carnster on Sept 4, 2021 16:35:14 GMT
Mixed bag for me.
Yes we had a lot of first choices out, mainly forwards, but so did Cas. Cas had two centres playing HB! One of them a Salford reject. McShane only played 40 minutes so we could hardly say there was a massive disparity in weakened teams. Effort was there and when we threw it wide we looked good. Trouble is we threw it wide about four times all match. Little to no direction in attack from all our HB's. Tui tried hard, Brown might have well of sat in the stands, and Hingano looks like an under 14's lad caught in the headlights most of the time. Nice step for his try, and dished-out some passes but pretty forgettable. Laboured attack and we look very unfit. It seems criminal to have the talent of Sio and Inu, then Burgess and Sarge act as extended forwards most of the time. Let them do their proper jobs and we score.
I can't fault the effort, considering there's little to play for, and the score wasn't a drubbing but we still look like the side that was formed in pre-season. That awkwardness and disjointed play style hasn't changed all year, except maybe once last week. One swallow doesn't make a summer though and I'm still left wondering what this Salford team is.
What has stood out for me this season is the fact that we are carrying too many championship quality players. All teams need squad players, but I think we have too many players that need to drop down a league in my opinion.
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Sept 4, 2021 22:16:47 GMT
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Post by stadge on Sept 4, 2021 22:16:47 GMT
Plenty of effort and I thought we made a real go of it.
Both sides had issues with injuries. However, in the modern game I think it is easier to cover the absence of back / halves than forwards.
We did look like we may get overrun at times but we dug in and kept in the game. I thought what lost it us in the end was the failure to capitalise on two repeat sets in the Cas 25 when Burke threw a wild pass and then Sio was forced into touch.
On the whole the last two games have been an improvement. We obviously don’t know our full recruitment details for next season but it is a concern that Tui looks by far and away our most dangerous player and he is going possibly with Sio and Inu. All big losses.
I am not feeling it for Hingano. He scored a good try today but his overall play is not one to strike fear into the opposition and he offered no real threat.
Overall, it was good we stayed in the game but our failings over the season, at both ends are still evident.
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Sept 5, 2021 5:35:54 GMT
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Post by shaneo54 on Sept 5, 2021 5:35:54 GMT
Johnson Lannon luckley standouts for me
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Post by earlybath on Sept 5, 2021 10:17:09 GMT
In life you get what you pay for.
Salford - sadly for all of us - are probably at the bottom of the payment list for players.
Despite that our beaten pack was short of most of the top 7 earners as we were without Mossop, Ackers, Ormandroyd, Livett, Wells & Taylor plus Paulu Pauli as sub.
Even so I felt their replacements - including the effervescent Atkin & exciting find Luckley produced a sterling effort yesterday.
Roberts for me had his best game for the club and Ata showed he may well fit in @ #13. We were within a converted try with less than 10 minute left against a Cas side who HAD to win. A great effort by the Devils.
Unlike many on here including our esteemed Moderator & Mr Dixon of course I am optimistic for 2022 with the new players already signed and truly hope we can talk the fantastic Inu into another season.
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Sept 5, 2021 16:39:18 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 5, 2021 16:39:18 GMT
Really disappointing performance that. Glad I didn’t go in the end. I know we’re missing 4 or 5 forwards but our defence was way too soft. Cas we’re really poor, made loads of errors and gave lots of pens away, no half backs. They were there for the taking and we let them walk over the line four times. They didn’t even have to try Patrick thank you for your considered opinions on the proceedings v Castleford I didn't see the game so can't make a comment.I must admit I fancied us after the performance against Hull we don't seem able to string 2 performances together that's worrying to say the least,anyway thank you again. |
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Post by manny on Sept 6, 2021 11:26:47 GMT
Clearly lacked size and punch in the pack with the entire fist choice forwards absent but I must compliment Lannon who I thought put in a real big shift. Pleasing to see us chuck the ball around but we lost the game because Cas defended better than we did and they didn’t concede any soft tries.
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Post by stadge on Sept 6, 2021 15:30:22 GMT
Anyone hear the ref in the match saying, as he pinged Salford for offside at a play the ball, "It's ball on the foot, not ball on the ground". Pity they don't enforce playing the ball as well -it be a penalty nearly every tackle!
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Sept 6, 2021 19:45:07 GMT
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Post by Redrum on Sept 6, 2021 19:45:07 GMT
Thought we looked static too many times ball in hand we don't seem to run on to the ball and there's very few offloads. One thing I will say is the disapline was much better and apparently RM has started fining players but is this why we looked slow off the line and zero intensity defensively? It's a fine line isn't it.
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Sept 6, 2021 20:21:06 GMT
Post by Carnster on Sept 6, 2021 20:21:06 GMT
Thought we looked static too many times ball in hand we don't seem to run on to the ball and there's very few offloads. One thing I will say is the disapline was much better and apparently RM has started fining players but is this why we looked slow off the line and zero intensity defensively? It's a fine line isn't it. Yeah I thought this to. I think it's due to the fact that our HB's were not managing and calling plays. We relied too heavily on Tui waving his magic wand. Brown, who is supposed to be an organiser looked lost, and Hingano is not a player that gets a grip on a game. A follower and not a leader. I don't think there's an excuse for poor defence. Yes, we were missing big lads but the effort for defending is universal, or should be. That wasn't there. It's one thing missing the big lads that put their bodies on the line, and another where players just let the opposition waltz through without so much as a hearty thigh slap. I don't mind us conceding when the players try their best. It irks a bit when they just watch them ghost through like it's an under-11's match. Was a little bit too much of that at magic. Not the worst performance by a long way, and effort was there, but the directionless nature of our play spoke volumes. |
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Post by JJR on Sept 6, 2021 21:04:46 GMT
And we had no frontline pack,,,,,try being a back behind a pack like we had out
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Post by earlybath on Sept 7, 2021 6:56:37 GMT
Starting pack
Burke (Generally loose fwd & Recovering from his head knock)
Atkin (scrum half)
Johnson
Robson (On Loan)
Roberts (Handful of games only)
Brown (International stand off)
When you look at that line up devoid of Mossop, Seb, Ackers, Ormo, Pauli, Taylor, Greenwood, Patton, Livett & Wells maybe some of the critics above may realise what a great effort we put up against the likes of Matagi, McShane, Smith, Massey, Jesse, Milner, Foster etc
Probably more of the same against Wires & Saints. Asking a lot from them isn`t it?
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Post by Carnster on Sept 7, 2021 6:57:49 GMT
And we had no frontline pack,,,,,try being a back behind a pack like we had out I get what people are saying about the pack. I agree. What I don't agree with is the rudderless way we attacked for 75% of the game. That's down to our HB's and not the pack. Our poor defensive efforts can be attributed to lack of forwards for sure, but not the toothless attack. When they played with structure we looked good and scored. For some reason though, that structure only seemed to be apparent when exactly at the right spot on the field. A training ground thing for sure, but we really needed better structure all over the field and that wasn't there. Like I said though, I personally thought it was a decent effort with little to play for. Glimpses of very decent play, under tough circumstances but pretty frustrating to watch, especially that second half. |
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Sept 7, 2021 10:17:01 GMT
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Post by Redrum on Sept 7, 2021 10:17:01 GMT
And we had no frontline pack,,,,,try being a back behind a pack like we had out I get what people are saying about the pack. I agree. What I don't agree with is the rudderless way we attacked for 75% of the game. That's down to our HB's and not the pack. Our poor defensive efforts can be attributed to lack of forwards for sure, but not the toothless attack. When they played with structure we looked good and scored. For some reason though, that structure only seemed to be apparent when exactly at the right spot on the field. A training ground thing for sure, but we really needed better structure all over the field and that wasn't there. Like I said though, I personally thought it was a decent effort with little to play for. Glimpses of very decent play, under tough circumstances but pretty frustrating to watch, especially that second half. How much of this is Danny Orr's remit? I know RM oversees it but I cant ever recall a cas side looking so flat, if anything they are the total opposite, makes you wonder how much input they have |
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Sept 7, 2021 11:47:21 GMT
Post by Carnster on Sept 7, 2021 11:47:21 GMT
I get what people are saying about the pack. I agree. What I don't agree with is the rudderless way we attacked for 75% of the game. That's down to our HB's and not the pack. Our poor defensive efforts can be attributed to lack of forwards for sure, but not the toothless attack. When they played with structure we looked good and scored. For some reason though, that structure only seemed to be apparent when exactly at the right spot on the field. A training ground thing for sure, but we really needed better structure all over the field and that wasn't there. Like I said though, I personally thought it was a decent effort with little to play for. Glimpses of very decent play, under tough circumstances but pretty frustrating to watch, especially that second half. How much of this is Danny Orr's remit? I know RM oversees it but I cant ever recall a cas side looking so flat, if anything they are the total opposite, makes you wonder how much input they have I don't know to be honest. He seems to be one that shuns the media. Even that of his own club. That's fair enough I suppose, but we're left wondering about what his role actually is. |
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