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Leeds
Jun 28, 2021 10:06:31 GMT
Post by JJR on Jun 28, 2021 10:06:31 GMT
Video of the game and Mossops punch, Hurrel wasn't pretending to be out, now on Sky video.
Also Carney interviews RM at 12 and Watto at 12,30 on Sky Sports.
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Post by Carnster on Jun 28, 2021 10:41:00 GMT
No. But he is responsible for improving discipline and man management to get players to perform to higher standards. To make them better players and make better decisions. That's literally his whole job... ...and it's clearly not working. Of course it’s not working and I was leading the charge for his removal,if you recall. I agree with all you say but it’s not binary. Mossop,as a very experienced player and captain,knows that if you throw a punch,you generally walk. He’s the more responsible for his own conduct. You're right of course. Mossop, in my opinion, is past it. I think this is a season too far. I've seen him miss more tackles, put in less effort, and give away more penalties this season than at any time. I think this may be his last season. |
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Leeds
Jun 28, 2021 11:24:26 GMT
Post by JJR on Jun 28, 2021 11:24:26 GMT
Yes we were saying just before his new boxing career started that he looked as if he lacked energy and was he carrying an injury.
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Post by stadge on Jun 28, 2021 11:44:40 GMT
I keep hearing these are not Marshall's players they are Watson's. True, Watson probably signed them but the newcomers never played for Watson. As a Coach it is upto Marshall to shape them into a team. This is what Watson did every year. If he does not like the players he has, Marshall should at least be working on adopting a playing style that suits what he as has at is his disposal. However, there is no playing style or structure in any aspect of their play and we are halfway through the season and he has had these players since December. Yes, there are injuries but many other clubs have had similar.
Similarly, the discipline issues. That aspect goes out of the window when players are struggling and frustrated with what is going on.
I hear lots of excuses and the players are now deemed not good enough, yet pre-season Salford fans were roundly saying top six, the best squad we have ever had and scoffing at predictions we might struggle.
We have had bad sides in the past, that have been relegated, but most have still had some structure and a style to their play. It is just they were not good enough as players. Presently we have nothing. It's alright saying we can't afford to sack him and we should ride the season out but people have paid good money to support the team. If we lose but play well and put up a fight then that has by and large over the years been all we ask as Salford fans. At present there is nothing there at all.
The most daminng statistic is that in the three divisions only West Wales Raiders have scored fewer points than us. However,their 104 points, compared to our 127, have come from three fewer games.
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Post by Carnster on Jun 28, 2021 12:01:36 GMT
I keep hearing these are not Marshall's players they are Watson's. True, Watson probably signed them but the newcomers never played for Watson. As a Coach it is upto Marshall to shape them into a team. This is what Watson did every year. If he does not like the players he has, Marshall should at least be working on adopting a playing style that suits what he as has at is his disposal. However, there is no playing style or structure in any aspect of their play and we are halfway through the season and he has had these players since December. Yes, there are injuries but many other clubs have had similar. Similarly, the discipline issues. That aspect goes out of the window when players are struggling and frustrated with what is going on. I hear lots of excuses and the players are now deemed not good enough, yet pre-season Salford fans were roundly saying top six, the best squad we have ever had and scoffing at predictions we might struggle. We have had bad sides in the past, that have been relegated, but most have still had some structure and a style to their play. It is just they were not good enough as players. Presently we have nothing. It's alright saying we can't afford to sack him and we should ride the season out but people have paid good money to support the team. If we lose but play well and put up a fight then that has by and large over the years been all we ask as Salford fans. At present there is nothing there at all. The most daminng statistic is that in the three divisions only West Wales Raiders have scored fewer points than us. However,their 104 points, compared to our 127, have come from three fewer games. I can't argue with any of that. Every team suffers with injuries and bans. Anyone using that as an excuse is grasping at straws. This part of what you said is spot-on... "We have had bad sides in the past, that have been relegated, but most have still had some structure and a style to their play. It is just they were not good enough as players." We are currently the exact opposite. No structure or style to the play but we have good enough players, and for me that comes down to the coaching. |
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Leeds
Jun 28, 2021 12:24:54 GMT
Post by mauricethered on Jun 28, 2021 12:24:54 GMT
The last two posts are spot on.
'In the three divisions only West Wales Raiders have scored fewer points than us. However,their 104 points, compared to our 127, have come from three fewer games'.
Marshall and Orr bring nothing to the party in either defence or attack - our pathetic points for illustrates this. Time for change.
Yesterday was dire apart from Escares solo effort.
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Post by manny on Jun 28, 2021 12:54:15 GMT
The problem for me is that Marshall earlier in the season unnecessarily kept chopping and changing players every match. I think the effort was there but we looked disjointed and lacked cohesion with the ball. Then on the back of a run of poor results we get frustrated and try to over compensate causing us to become indisciplined whilst picking up some unfortunate injuries. Now we are in an extremely difficult position with several injuries and unnecessary suspensions and have a starting 17 that is far from our strongest. Furthermore, even when of if we get players back we still don't have the cohesion as a team we should have been building at the start of the season.
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Post by dixon13 on Jun 28, 2021 13:04:42 GMT
I have said it before Richard Marshall as got the best job In Super League.He can't be sacked.Their are few about who would like to be in that position.It's to be hoped Leigh don't find any form.
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Post by gadger on Jun 28, 2021 13:10:42 GMT
If we’re going to change something it needs to be now. Either they believe Marshall is the man and the back him in to next season, or they make the change now to give the new coach time to work out which players he likes/doesn’t like and can sign his own for next season.
I’ve seen nothing so far to suggest Marshall is the man to take us forward. For me change is needed now. We don’t want the next coach to come in late in the season when everyone is signed up for next year, or even worse start of next season when we still haven’t improved and there’s no Leigh.
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Leeds
Jun 28, 2021 13:19:35 GMT
Post by manny on Jun 28, 2021 13:19:35 GMT
I think if Richard Marshall tendered his resignation today the club would accept it in a heartbeat. Although as someone above has already mentioned the club probably can't afford the cost of paying off Marshall and his coaching team and replacing it with a new team.
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Leeds
Jun 28, 2021 14:08:24 GMT
Post by Carnster on Jun 28, 2021 14:08:24 GMT
I'm wondering how resilient he could possibly be. He wouldn't be the first coach to take charge of Salford and then think 'Fook this' and resign shortly after. Salford is the toughest gig in town after all.
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Post by bonitared on Jun 28, 2021 14:36:03 GMT
Just watched the Our League replay. Odd,but knowing details of the score and performance,it wasn’t as bad as I expected.
Probably a reflection of expectation levels.
I have to say that Hick is a gobsh**te.
We played like a team that had been thrown together because of injury and suspension with a few players out of position. The 2 Myler tries were decisive.
The pack were outmuscled but without Mossop,Seb,Pauli,Greenwood then it’s hardly surprising.
Behind a badly beaten pack,the half backs were anonymous but Atkin always gives 100%.
Costello and an out of position Burgess can’t replace Watkins and Sarginson
Lolohea played well,belying any suggestion he’s doing a Coley.
Escaré is marmite. How about we concentrate on what he can contribute,rather than banging on about his deficiencies. He certainly has something and was one of the few threats when he was on the ball.
If we have 3 forwards back ,we’ll be fine against Wakefield.
Nurse !
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Leeds
Jun 28, 2021 14:48:29 GMT
Post by JJR on Jun 28, 2021 14:48:29 GMT
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Leeds
Jun 28, 2021 15:42:14 GMT
Post by earlybath on Jun 28, 2021 15:42:14 GMT
Escaré is marmite. How about we concentrate on what he can contribute,rather than banging on about his deficiencies. He certainly has something and was one of the few threats when he was on the ball. BR - As a gamble - `cos he has pace, can beat a man etc - would you consider him to play @ 6 or 7 beside Atkin? Just a thought. In defence - move him to the wing as Cas do with Richardson? |
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Jun 28, 2021 16:20:58 GMT
Post by bonitared on Jun 28, 2021 16:20:58 GMT
His confidence must have been shot,knowing the coach doesn’t rate him,as can be assumed from the selection policy.
Now that we know that Tui hasn’t downed tools,I’d select him at 6 and out Escaré to full back. Sio will be back and he’ll be on the wing.
In other circumstances yes,I’d give him a shot in the halves.
Escaré has many defensive faults but ,when we can’t buy a try,let’s focus on what he brings to the party
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