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Post by russ on Dec 29, 2020 14:55:01 GMT
"11. Salford Red Devils Likely spine: 1. Morgan Escare 6. Tui Lolohea 7. Kevin Brown 9. Andy Ackers Together Brown and Lolohea can light up the Super League on their day, the problem is through injury or inconsistency, those days haven’t come frequently enough. Escare has some big shoes to fill after the departure of Evalds and after struggling for game time for the last two seasons he’ll have something to prove."
Interesting and under rated yet again! Of course they could just be staying on the safe side of "Don't know yet!"
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Post by kitch on Dec 29, 2020 16:39:49 GMT
There is no way that our spine is second worst in the league, behind only a team that just found out they were being promoted. We have the current Tongan stand off and a former England World Cup finalist scrum half. But being perpetual underdogs suits us I think! Let them all believe that.
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Post by twistthemellonman on Dec 29, 2020 18:02:13 GMT
Massively inconsistent yet got to a final? Ironically but the world's best 7 Sneyd above us says it all🙄
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Post by SalfordSlim on Dec 29, 2020 18:25:53 GMT
The Hull Daily Fail.... says it all really!🤦♂️😁
Let's be honest we could win Super League the CC and the WCC and we'd still get clowns tipping us for relegation the next season. I think we're all pretty confident this squad is going to be more than competitive this year so I won't be taking any notice of what any tinpot rags are predicting tbh.👍
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Post by redunderthebed on Dec 29, 2020 22:37:05 GMT
Not going to lose any sleep over what the Hull Mail think
Truth is Escare has to earn his place. He’s been class at times but not for a few years (but we have options to replace him, our Sarge there and the spine automatically moves up a few places). Tui is brill but not in every game. Brown is class but will miss games. Ackers has shown flashes of excellence but is unproven at the top level.
As things stand we only have Atkin to cover at half back (Escare at a push) and we have no real cover at hooker - Aspey isn’t a permanent member of the squad yet and Atkin, Addy and Burke are the only other options (none of them are proper hookers).
I don’t think we should be complacent about our spine choices and losing Evalds and Lussick means we’re weaker than last 2 years.
How many of the other teams would swap their four for our four? From Hull down in that list it’s a mixed bag
*But* it’s only Wigan and Saints that I would swap our four with their four (maybe Warrington but I’d rather have Tui than Austin and Brown is better value for money than Whiddop). I’d swap some of our four for some of the others and I’m sure others would with some of ours. I’d argue we’re stronger than KR and Wakefield on paper and on a par with catalans, Cas and Leeds. I’d put Huddersfield above all of them and us
Depending on recruitment, our strength next year will be our three quarters and back row. Providing our spine can give them the opportunities then I’m confident we’ll go well but it’s a lot of pressure on a relatively light spine
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Post by chief on Dec 29, 2020 23:36:08 GMT
Not going to lose any sleep over what the Hull Mail think Truth is Escare has to earn his place. He’s been class at times but not for a few years (but we have options to replace him, our Sarge there and the spine automatically moves up a few places). Tui is brill but not in every game. Brown is class but will miss games. Ackers has shown flashes of excellence but is unproven at the top level. As things stand we only have Atkin to cover at half back (Escare at a push) and we have no real cover at hooker - Aspey isn’t a permanent member of the squad yet and Atkin, Addy and Burke are the only other options (none of them are proper hookers). I don’t think we should be complacent about our spine choices and losing Evalds and Lussick means we’re weaker than last 2 years. How many of the other teams would swap their four for our four? From Hull down in that list it’s a mixed bag *But* it’s only Wigan and Saints that I would swap our four with their four (maybe Warrington but I’d rather have Tui than Austin and Brown is better value for money than Whiddop). I’d swap some of our four for some of the others and I’m sure others would with some of ours. I’d argue we’re stronger than KR and Wakefield on paper and on a par with catalans, Cas and Leeds. I’d put Huddersfield above all of them and us Depending on recruitment, our strength next year will be our three quarters and back row. Providing our spine can give them the opportunities then I’m confident we’ll go well but it’s a lot of pressure on a relatively light spine Agreed. A very honest and accurate post.
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Post by dentonred on Dec 29, 2020 23:40:46 GMT
In an ideal world we would be picking up a starting prop, a specialist half back and an interchange hooker. Realism however and we know that with out budget we need to have several Burke, Addy, Atkin and Kear type players that can comfortably play in 3-4 positions. Without a consistant and prolific youth structure in place ala Wigan and Leeds we will always be in the signing market and looking at a major restructure every 2-3 years.
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Post by russ on Dec 30, 2020 7:29:09 GMT
Good assessments all round on this one.
I find it interesting that the notion of the spine doesn't include the loose.
The Hull paper does cover RL really well though and given the output of the MEN we've nothing even close.
I don't think our basic spine has been given enough credit, and the focus on the negatives like Brown missing games is part of that.
As for a youth strcture, especially since Wayne's departure, the number leaving says a lot about the whole idea.
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Post by Carnster on Dec 30, 2020 9:21:56 GMT
I think loose forwards are generally extra props in the modern game. It's a shame because the dynamic roaming loose was always great to see. Usually one of the most talented players on the pitch. I think it's one example of the modern game losing something for the worse imo.
While I think that our spine is solid, Brown worries me slightly in that he's getting on and his body was battered again last year. I really think we need a ready rotation player for him, but the obvious problem is that he's our organiser and we need someone else to fit into that role when the inevitable comes. Escare for Evalds isn't a bad replacement, although they are different types of players so can see our play style changing to reflect this. I have no worries over our wing and three quarters. Certainly our strongest areas and as good as any in SL. I'm not overly worried about the hooker position. Would be nice to bolster it with Levi or similar, but I think if we have to use what we've got they'll do a job. Will be interesting to see how Tui gets on under different management. I have a sneaky suspicion that Watson made him play a deliberate set style, after all, look at the difference in his play for Tonga under Woolf. He was obviously coached to his strong points rather than to fit into a certain style. If Marshall can bring that out in Tui again he may be like a new signing in itself.
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Post by JJR on Dec 30, 2020 13:29:16 GMT
Think this year is obviously one of re-formation of yet another team, with another coach and I think it's about survival and consolidation. We've neatly lost a full pack; Yates, Dudson, Lussick, Flanagan and probably McCarthy Let's hope Livett Greenwood Ormondroyd Lannon Roberts can support Mossop and Taylor and Pauli can get even fitter We do have a delicate spine
But a tough prop in the Casty mould and a hooker like Levi would make a massive difference, and the value of Addy needs to be realised
Backs top class on paper and the no scrum rule will see them more in the game
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Post by russ on Dec 30, 2020 15:43:48 GMT
Think this year is obviously one of re-formation of yet another team, with another coach and I think it's about survival and consolidation. We've neatly lost a full pack; Yates, Dudson, Lussick, Flanagan and probably McCarthy Let's hope Livett Greenwood Ormondroyd Lannon Roberts can support Mossop and Taylor and Pauli can get even fitter We do have a delicate spine But a tough prop in the Casty mould and a hooker like Levi would make a massive difference, and the value of Addy needs to be realised Backs top class on paper and the no scrum rule will see them more in the game Okay well you'll be pleased to know that our pack took us up a place:
"10. Salford Red Devils
Strongest pack: Lee Mossop, Andy Ackers, Sebastine Ikahihifo; Pauli Pauli, Harvey Livett; Elijah Taylor
Mossop has been awarded a testimonial year in 2021, underlining his impressive career in the Super League and he’ll hope to mark it in the best way possible. Ackers has big shoes to fill after the departure of Joey Lussick, while Taylor will hope to ease the loss of Yates by rediscovering his best form at the AJ Bell Stadium after a move from Wests Tigers.
Ikahihifo and Pauli Pauli give Salford’s pack size and power, too."
Up to 10th!
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Post by SalfordSlim on Dec 31, 2020 7:08:56 GMT
Think this year is obviously one of re-formation of yet another team, with another coach and I think it's about survival and consolidation. We've neatly lost a full pack; Yates, Dudson, Lussick, Flanagan and probably McCarthy Let's hope Livett Greenwood Ormondroyd Lannon Roberts can support Mossop and Taylor and Pauli can get even fitter We do have a delicate spine But a tough prop in the Casty mould and a hooker like Levi would make a massive difference, and the value of Addy needs to be realised Backs top class on paper and the no scrum rule will see them more in the game Okay well you'll be pleased to know that our pack took us up a place:
"10. Salford Red Devils
Strongest pack: Lee Mossop, Andy Ackers, Sebastine Ikahihifo; Pauli Pauli, Harvey Livett; Elijah Taylor
Mossop has been awarded a testimonial year in 2021, underlining his impressive career in the Super League and he’ll hope to mark it in the best way possible. Ackers has big shoes to fill after the departure of Joey Lussick, while Taylor will hope to ease the loss of Yates by rediscovering his best form at the AJ Bell Stadium after a move from Wests Tigers.
Ikahihifo and Pauli Pauli give Salford’s pack size and power, too."
Up to 10th!
Link here for anyone that wants to read the full article.... www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/super-league-pack-ranked-2021-4841773Funny how we come in 10th when there are a few packs high up that list that we bullied a few times last season.🤔 Will be interesting how we rank in the backs or will Watkins, Burgess & Escape be considered "has-beens"? I won't hold my breath! Relegation fight here we come!😁
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Post by russ on Dec 31, 2020 14:02:09 GMT
Okay well you'll be pleased to know that our pack took us up a place:
"10. Salford Red Devils
Strongest pack: Lee Mossop, Andy Ackers, Sebastine Ikahihifo; Pauli Pauli, Harvey Livett; Elijah Taylor
Mossop has been awarded a testimonial year in 2021, underlining his impressive career in the Super League and he’ll hope to mark it in the best way possible. Ackers has big shoes to fill after the departure of Joey Lussick, while Taylor will hope to ease the loss of Yates by rediscovering his best form at the AJ Bell Stadium after a move from Wests Tigers.
Ikahihifo and Pauli Pauli give Salford’s pack size and power, too."
Up to 10th!
Link here for anyone that wants to read the full article.... www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/super-league-pack-ranked-2021-4841773Funny how we come in 10th when there are a few packs high up that list that we bullied a few times last season.🤔 Will be interesting how we rank in the backs or will Watkins, Burgess & Escape be considered "has-beens"? I won't hold my breath! Relegation fight here we come!😁 Yes the backs higher up would be an interesting idea and a conundrum. (good word that!)
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Post by russ on Jan 4, 2021 18:42:58 GMT
"7. Salford Red Devils Predicted outside-backs: Joe Burgess, Kallum Watkins, Dan Sarginson, Krisnan Inu Burgess looks an astute signing from Wigan. The winger has scored tries everywhere he has played and he’ll no doubt touch down regularly next season for the Red Devils.In Sarginson and Inu they have players who impressed last year, while Richard Marshall will be hoping Watkins can show the type of form he did during his spell at Leeds Rhinos." www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/super-league-outside-backs-ranked-4854591I knew it would be higher than the spine or forwards but I'm more insulted by 7th for this lot.
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Post by SalfordSlim on Jan 4, 2021 19:14:32 GMT
I'd have us a couple of places higher TBH. Wire at 2? Seriously? Don't rate Charnley or Lineham that highly tbh and they've got a 34 year old, who hasn't played in 22/23 months, coming out of retirement.
So based on those reviews combined we're looking at 8th/9th maybe? I'm gonna put my neck on the line and say we'll finish top 6.😁
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