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Post by twistthemellonman on Oct 19, 2019 10:09:18 GMT
2 tries, 1 try assist and a stellar game from Elliot Kear who ran the show against Lebanon today.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 10:09:28 GMT
Connor Jones like Atkin is a halve/hooker so we will have a 3rd halve on the field, the advantage is that we can always move Tui to centre and have a Brown Atkin halves pairing if the need dictates.
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Post by BDD on Oct 19, 2019 10:39:28 GMT
Connor Jones like Atkin is a halve/hooker so we will have a 3rd halve on the field, the advantage is that we can always move Tui to centre and have a Brown Atkin halves pairing if the need dictates. If there was an in-game injury sure. Tui may produce in the centres; he has the attributes. I just don't see us playing him there given the number of centres we have. I get the point re Atkin, Connor-Jones and even throwing Lussick in there, but, they are playing hooker and not as a third pivot. In my view, that means you still only have two players playing as halves, because the other is following the ruck. I'd like a ball playing loose. It does give plenty of in-game cover options, which we didn't have much of this year, at least in those positions. I'm certainly optimistic regarding next season |
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Post by prestwichred on Oct 19, 2019 11:19:54 GMT
I don't think it's worth putting a third HB in the centres, especially when we have plenty of centres. If we were to play three HBs, you want then to be getting their hands on the ball with space and options. The two feasible options are FB, like we did with Gaz, but that's a no-go as we have Evalds; or at LF like Gregory did with Crompton. I'm not sure Tui has the shape/size to stand up at LF defensively. Though offensively, it would put him in a position to take the line on more with the option of Brown and Atkin either side of him. Also, having a player like that at LF allows an additional runner/ball-handler on moves on both the inside and outside (see the thread on 2020 tactical chages). For example, instead of the simple 2nd rower runs through and HB passes the ball to FB who runs or gives it to the C/W; the LF can instead take the ball instead of the FB (not Evalds strongest trait) and then use FB as an inside option, with the C/W outside, or have the FB join on the oustide. Playing a third HB at LF though commits us to playing more expansive rugby. I’ve got a headache after reading that😀 |
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 19, 2019 11:29:05 GMT
I don't think it's worth putting a third HB in the centres, especially when we have plenty of centres. If we were to play three HBs, you want then to be getting their hands on the ball with space and options. The two feasible options are FB, like we did with Gaz, but that's a no-go as we have Evalds; or at LF like Gregory did with Crompton. I'm not sure Tui has the shape/size to stand up at LF defensively. Though offensively, it would put him in a position to take the line on more with the option of Brown and Atkin either side of him. Also, having a player like that at LF allows an additional runner/ball-handler on moves on both the inside and outside (see the thread on 2020 tactical chages). For example, instead of the simple 2nd rower runs through and HB passes the ball to FB who runs or gives it to the C/W; the LF can instead take the ball instead of the FB (not Evalds strongest trait) and then use FB as an inside option, with the C/W outside, or have the FB join on the oustide. Playing a third HB at LF though commits us to playing more expansive rugby. I’ve got a headache after reading that😀 Then go and lie down until January.😔 |
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Post by prestwichred on Oct 19, 2019 12:51:44 GMT
I’ve got a headache after reading that😀 Then go and lie down until January.😔 Do you not understand sarcasm 🙄 |
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Post by redunderthebed on Oct 19, 2019 13:18:08 GMT
Connor Jones like Atkin is a halve/hooker so we will have a 3rd halve on the field, the advantage is that we can always move Tui to centre and have a Brown Atkin halves pairing if the need dictates. If there was an in-game injury sure. Tui may produce in the centres; he has the attributes. I just don't see us playing him there given the number of centres we have. I get the point re Atkin, Connor-Jones and even throwing Lussick in there, but, they are playing hooker and not as a third pivot. In my view, that means you still only have two players playing as halves, because the other is following the ruck. I'd like a ball playing loose. It does give plenty of in-game cover options, which we didn't have much of this year, at least in those positions. I'm certainly optimistic regarding next season I think I was watching a different salford this season. The one I watched played some of the most expansive rugby super league has seen and scored the second highest number of tries in the comp The salford i was watching had mark Flanagan at loose forward, one of the last ball playing loose forwards in RL who won a SL grand final playing at stand off. |
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 19, 2019 15:58:08 GMT
Then go and lie down until January.😔 Do you not understand sarcasm 🙄 Yes I do. I once seen it being used by someone on Cross Lane many years ago. The trouble was the user finished up Getting a good hiding.🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 16:28:14 GMT
Do you not understand sarcasm 🙄 Yes I do. I once seen it being used by someone on Cross Lane many years ago. The trouble was the user finished up Getting a good hiding.🤔 On Cross Lane? Never, Salfords answer to Beverly Hills. |
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Post by BDD on Oct 20, 2019 10:13:45 GMT
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I think I was watching a different salford this season. The one I watched played some of the most expansive rugby super league has seen and scored the second highest number of tries in the comp
The salford i was watching had mark Flanagan at loose forward, one of the last ball playing loose forwards in RL who won a SL grand final playing at stand off. [/quote]
I agree we did, at times, never said we didn't. I mentioned this in the thread on 2020 tactical changes. Our best and most expansive rugby came when we were leading games by a couple of scores and were more willing to attack from deep instead of play the percentages. The exception that comes to mind is being behind three scores at Saints; we then decided to throw some caution to the wind and took them apart in stages of that game. Or look at the last few minutes of the Million Pound game. How good were we against Warrington multiple times once leading? I'd like to see that confidence/willingness all the time. Though my point earlier in the thread was more theoretical about how we can utilise extra runners to be more expansive and score more points--take another step forward. Adding a genuine third pivot may not be the way, but it's an option to explore. It's not a knock on what we've done. I've enjoyed thlhis season more than any since the Gregory days. We've been great, in the last couple of months, but that seems to have skewed people's memories of the first two thirds of the season. A loss or two after the Huddersfield game and we could have been dragged into the bottom 6 with ease. I'm optimistic we can get in the top 5 again. I think Saints, Wolves and Wigan will be the top 3.
It's more how can we improve our win percentage? Put teams on the back foot? Make us harder to defend against? Not have a performance like Huddersfield at home. We lost 12 games this season. That leaves a lot of room for improvement. I put my thoughts in the 2020 tactics thread.
I like Flanagan. He's been a very good player for us. He is the one forward who can ball play, but he doesn't play 80 minutes and those aspects of his game don't appear as often as they could--we don't use him enough that way. I also see his role diminishing further this season if Yates plays LF.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 11:10:16 GMT
I think I was watching a different salford this season. The one I watched played some of the most expansive rugby super league has seen and scored the second highest number of tries in the comp The salford i was watching had mark Flanagan at loose forward, one of the last ball playing loose forwards in RL who won a SL grand final playing at stand off. [/quote] I agree we did, at times, never said we didn't. I mentioned this in the thread on 2020 tactical changes. Our best and most expansive rugby came when we were leading games by a couple of scores and were more willing to attack from deep instead of play the percentages. The exception that comes to mind is being behind three scores at Saints; we then decided to throw some caution to the wind and took them apart in stages of that game. Or look at the last few minutes of the Million Pound game. How good were we against Warrington multiple times once leading? I'd like to see that confidence/willingness all the time. Though my point earlier in the thread was more theoretical about how we can utilise extra runners to be more expansive and score more points--take another step forward. Adding a genuine third pivot may not be the way, but it's an option to explore. It's not a knock on what we've done. I've enjoyed thlhis season more than any since the Gregory days. We've been great, in the last couple of months, but that seems to have skewed people's memories of the first two thirds of the season. A loss or two after the Huddersfield game and we could have been dragged into the bottom 6 with ease. I'm optimistic we can get in the top 5 again. I think Saints, Wolves and Wigan will be the top 3. It's more how can we improve our win percentage? Put teams on the back foot? Make us harder to defend against? Not have a performance like Huddersfield at home. We lost 12 games this season. That leaves a lot of room for improvement. I put my thoughts in the 2020 tactics thread. I like Flanagan. He's been a very good player for us. He is the one forward who can ball play, but he doesn't play 80 minutes and those aspects of his game don't appear as often as they could--we don't use him enough that way. I also see his role diminishing further this season if Yates plays LF.[/quote] I don’t agree with all of that. The tactic was always to keep it tight in the first half and then open up in the second- see Catalans away and Wire at home for example. We didn’t just do it when we were ahead either - see Hull away. It’s what Watson has always done. That is why Tomkins and McCarthy start and Lussick and Flash come on later - when we are ready to open up. Also, yes Flash had fitness issues earlier in the season but lets not forget that he was getting decent minutes towards the end of the season. As someone else mentioned, Yates might be used at Prop with McCarthy and Flash sticking at loose - lets see what happens in pre season. |
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Post by chang on Oct 20, 2019 11:54:16 GMT
Just to add, Flash is only just 31. A lot of people talking like he is finished.
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Post by earlybath on Oct 20, 2019 12:13:18 GMT
Agree and his Coffee partner is 4+ years older so many miles in the old dog yet.
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