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Post by JJR on Oct 18, 2019 12:48:43 GMT
Brown until last year, when he withdrew was an international and last year should have been Warringtons first choice half.
Watson and Blease chose Hastings. Watson and Blease chose Brown.
Enough said.
I think the most positive thing is that we have Atkin and Connor-Jones as hooker, half back cover unlike this year as Wood was injured we had Evalds ready to do a job there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 13:06:28 GMT
I’m really interested to see what he does with Atkin. We’ve now got three half backs all with very different skill sets.
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 18, 2019 14:10:45 GMT
I think with Kevin Brown. His last tackle kicks are on the money, and he is a very good organiser.And I think if he keeps fit he will really do well for us. That is not a criticism of Jacko.Because they bring different skills to the party. Just my take on it.
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Post by JJR on Oct 18, 2019 14:24:27 GMT
In the latter stages of the season Atkin was hooker with HKR and got in the team of the week twice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 14:44:49 GMT
In the latter stages of the season Atkin was hooker with HKR and got in the team of the week twice. I don’t think he wants to play there or thats why we’ve signed him - from what Watson has said he’s competing for the half back positions. Agree with Dixon - Hastings only weakness was his kicking so that should definitely improve with Brown. |
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Post by redunderthebed on Oct 18, 2019 18:49:23 GMT
We’ve got to accept that Hastings is pretty much irreplaceable ☹️ He had everything - running, passing, creative, defensive, even his kicking game was ok and better than a fair few we’ve had! Did he have one game for us where his performance was lower than a 7 out of 10? Most were over 8!
Brown is a bit of a gamble given his age and his injury this year. But as others have said if he stays fit he should be a very good fit for us. Even if he has a great season for us and stays injury free Im sure he will have a few games where he is only 5 or 6 out of 10. But I think he will be calmer under pressure than Hastings because of his experience and his kicking is very good (as others have said) and he is more of an organiser in some ways. His range of passing always creates chances near the line (plus the occasional intercept try!)
Lolohea’s game might improve as he won’t have Jacko doing everything next to him. With Brown doing the prompting and the organising hopefully Tui can focus on his running game. I’m excited to see how brown and Tui gel. Tuis GF performance was very encouraging
Add Atkin into the mix with Joey and Jones running from dummy half and Evalds with another years experience of joining the line we start to look like a very creative team still.
The three quarter line looks much stronger. Will be fascinating to see who gets the nod as first choice - sarge must be nailed on and probably Sio but I’m not sure who will win the fight fir the other 2 spots. Inu and Welham I guess head the list as the incumbents but Chamberlain is fit and Williams and Kear haven’t come to just play on the reserves. Watto showed this year he would chop and change the back line if people weren’t performing until he found the four that worked for him. I’m sure he’ll be the same in 2020
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Post by twistthemellonman on Oct 18, 2019 19:23:48 GMT
Can't underestimate Atkin he had a stella 2018 and proved he can step up and lead a team around the park which he did at Rovers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 19:40:31 GMT
Can't underestimate Atkin he had a stella 2018 and proved he can step up and lead a team around the park which he did at Rovers. He had an extremely experienced halve alongside him though. |
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 18, 2019 21:07:11 GMT
We’ve got to accept that Hastings is pretty much irreplaceable ☹️ He had everything - running, passing, creative, defensive, even his kicking game was ok and better than a fair few we’ve had! Did he have one game for us where his performance was lower than a 7 out of 10? Most were over 8! Brown is a bit of a gamble given his age and his injury this year. But as others have said if he stays fit he should be a very good fit for us. Even if he has a great season for us and stays injury free Im sure he will have a few games where he is only 5 or 6 out of 10. But I think he will be calmer under pressure than Hastings because of his experience and his kicking is very good (as others have said) and he is more of an organiser in some ways. His range of passing always creates chances near the line (plus the occasional intercept try!) Lolohea’s game might improve as he won’t have Jacko doing everything next to him. With Brown doing the prompting and the organising hopefully Tui can focus on his running game. I’m excited to see how brown and Tui gel. Tuis GF performance was very encouraging Add Atkin into the mix with Joey and Jones running from dummy half and Evalds with another years experience of joining the line we start to look like a very creative team still. The three e r line looks much stronger. Will be fascinating to see who gets the nod as first choice - sarge must be nailed on and probably Sio but I’m not sure who will win the fight fir the other 2 spots. Inu and Welham I guess head the list as the incumbents but Chamberlain is fit and Williams and Kear haven’t come to just play on the reserves. Watto showed this year he would chop and change the back line if people weren’t performing until he found the four that worked for him. I’m sure he’ll be the same in 2020 Would it be going into the realms of fantasy.If he had Atkin and Brown at 6 and 7 and Lolohea in the centre. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 21:20:41 GMT
Would it be going into the realms of fantasy.If he had Atkin and Brown at 6 and 7 and Lolohea in the centre. Think we saw then TL was at Leeds that he needs to be playing in the halves, as others occasionally notice I champion players being tried in other positions for versatility but TL just leave him where he is and let him take the line on as we've seen in the play offs he's good, very VERY good. |
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Post by redunderthebed on Oct 18, 2019 21:26:37 GMT
Could be Dixon (although I’d be surprised if they did). Tui played plenty at centre and winger. Has Atkin ever played 6 do we know? I know Brown has but he’s more of a 7 now.
We give Watto even bigger selection headaches in the three quarters though 😂
Nice to have options
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 18, 2019 21:49:03 GMT
Could be Dixon (although I’d be surprised if they did). Tui played plenty at centre and winger. Has Atkin ever played 6 do we know? I know Brown has but he’s more of a 7 now. We give Watto even bigger selection headaches in the three quarters though 😂 Nice to havinge options I just thought maybe with Lolohea's pace he might be better utilised there.I am not saying he should be there just a thought. I also said on another thread that for me Joey Lussick is to good a footballer to spend half the game on the bench. So if I can't get him at 9 I would have him at 13 that's more than a thought that's what I would do. |
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Post by BDD on Oct 18, 2019 21:55:45 GMT
I don't think it's worth putting a third HB in the centres, especially when we have plenty of centres. If we were to play three HBs, you want then to be getting their hands on the ball with space and options. The two feasible options are FB, like we did with Gaz, but that's a no-go as we have Evalds; or at LF like Gregory did with Crompton.
I'm not sure Tui has the shape/size to stand up at LF defensively. Though offensively, it would put him in a position to take the line on more with the option of Brown and Atkin either side of him. Also, having a player like that at LF allows an additional runner/ball-handler on moves on both the inside and outside (see the thread on 2020 tactical chages). For example, instead of the simple 2nd rower runs through and HB passes the ball to FB who runs or gives it to the C/W; the LF can instead take the ball instead of the FB (not Evalds strongest trait) and then use FB as an inside option, with the C/W outside, or have the FB join on the oustide. Playing a third HB at LF though commits us to playing more expansive rugby.
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 18, 2019 22:25:33 GMT
I don't think it's worth putting a third HB in the centres, especially when we have plenty of centres. If we were to play three HBs, you want then to be getting their hands on the ball with space and options. The two feasible options are FB, like we did with Gaz, but that's a no-go as we have Evalds; or at LF like Gregory did with Crompton. I'm not sure Tui has the shape/size to stand up at LF defensively. Though offensively, it would put him in a position to take the line on more with the option of Brown and Atkin either side of him. Also, having a player like that at LF allows an additional runner/ball-handler on moves on both the inside and outside (see the thread on 2020 tactical chages). For example, instead of the simple 2nd rower runs through and HB passes the ball to FB who runs or gives it to the C/W; the LF can instead take the ball instead of the FB (not Evalds strongest trait) and then use FB as an inside option, with the C/W outside, or have the FB join on the oustide. Playing a third HB at LF though commits us to playing more expansive rugby. If we work on an assumption that any coach.When push comes to shove will play his best team.Who should we start with. |
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Post by BDD on Oct 19, 2019 10:03:50 GMT
I don't think it's worth putting a third HB in the centres, especially when we have plenty of centres. If we were to play three HBs, you want then to be getting their hands on the ball with space and options. The two feasible options are FB, like we did with Gaz, but that's a no-go as we have Evalds; or at LF like Gregory did with Crompton. I'm not sure Tui has the shape/size to stand up at LF defensively. Though offensively, it would put him in a position to take the line on more with the option of Brown and Atkin either side of him. Also, having a player like that at LF allows an additional runner/ball-handler on moves on both the inside and outside (see the thread on 2020 tactical chages). For example, instead of the simple 2nd rower runs through and HB passes the ball to FB who runs or gives it to the C/W; the LF can instead take the ball instead of the FB (not Evalds strongest trait) and then use FB as an inside option, with the C/W outside, or have the FB join on the oustide. Playing a third HB at LF though commits us to playing more expansive rugby. If we work on an assumption that any coach.When push comes to shove will play his best team.Who should we start with. Tough one. On the thread regarding tactical changes for 2020 I pointed out a lot of areas I'd like to see us improve one. The biggest issue I have is the kicking game in multiple facets of the game. I'd also like to see us more willing to play expansive rugby and utilise additional runners and set moves. Re kicking I think Brown will solve that issue. Atkin also has a good kicking game. If kicking remains the same next season I can only assume Watto is asking players to kick that way, which I hope isn't the case. I do worry though that he didn't rectify this at all this season with the players we had. Re additional runners/moves and being more expansive, a third HB would certainly help. The opposition would have more to think about defensively and we remove the need to Evalds to be the third pivot (weakest area of his game IMO); instead allowing him to be the additional runner--an area he excels in. Our forwards offer little in the way of offloads and ball handling, therefore, I think adding a third HB is woth experimenting with in pre-season. But Watto would need to allow the team to play more expansive rugby and plan more moves in the off-season to accommodate this. If the moves were drilled in to the players they'd become second nature. All that said, I don't think Watto wants to play that way. I have faith our defence will remain solid next season. If the kicking game improves, allowing us to win the territory battle and gain repeat sets, then I think we can trouble the top teams again. |
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