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Post by scoot on Sept 14, 2016 19:02:57 GMT
I hope that if we are going to be taken over that we get someone who has a background in Rugby League, or some form of sports team ownership. I think that has ultimately been MK's downfall. If he has a "downfall" which is a bit leading and subjective, it's not realising what a money pit all this is and/or thinking RL folk were welcoming and inclusive An RL background is hardly a recommendation and you only have to look and some of the people who'd qualify to see what an illogical connection that is. Rumour, gossip, chit chat, not based on fact: Just a reminder that this is all there is out there or a trip to the church for the wake! See you there everyone! In the 60s Brian Snape took over at Salford, he had a rugby union background. He had good connections, we had a successful team. I now seriously doubt Koukcash has as much money as it is put about, reminds me of that guy who was going to take over united some years ago, cannot remember his name, but turned out he had nowt.
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Post by russ on Sept 14, 2016 20:13:30 GMT
"In the 60s Brian Snape took over at Salford, he had a rugby union background. He had good connections, we had a successful team. I now seriously doubt Koukcash has as much money as it is put about, reminds me of that guy who was going to take over united some years ago, cannot remember his name, but turned out he had nowt." Well scoot to be honest the Brian Snape example was from a very different world and comparison is largely useless.
Having enough money and realising what a bottomless pit RL clubs are are two very different things. Rarely if ever have I seen someone do what MK has done and been treated so badly and poorly.
Truly he's been made to feel about as welcome as Heinrich Himmler at a local synaguoge!
And there is still nothing substantial in any of this rumour stuff!
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Post by redfan on Sept 14, 2016 22:41:40 GMT
so here I am my first post, please don't be offended it is my own personal opinion. The perfect storm. Marwan took over when we were about to go to the wall, for that we should all be thankful. unfortunately he was ill advised. He brought together a selection of professional rugby people who he didn't know, to advise him of the best way forward with the club, how could he know these so called advisors, when he had little knowledge of rugby league, obviously by the man that runs the game, who first got him interested in the challenge. This was his downfall he trusted people who were only interested in making a fast buck from someone in business who was an achiever on a grand scale but he didn't realise that in such a small sport there were so many sharks. He will have to hold his hand up and say whoops i've been had. We are at a new ground in an area of Salford that is difficult to get to or from, owned by a council that as no experience of running professional sporting arenas, on top of that we now live in a city that in the last ten years as changed its demographic from white working class to a city full of people from around the globe, whose only purpose his to support there families from where they originate. They have no interest in Salford Rugby League Football Club, unless they can make money from it. I remember being told when super league/sky was first envisaged that all our prayers were answered. Mr Tarry said with this money we just need to build a new stand on the Weaste lane side with new changing rooms and various new facilities and that would set us up for the future. So many false dawns, yet other clubs have been allowed to plod on with poor grounds, yet on the playing side they have progressed. Good luck if you can get away with it. I recently heard a comment from the chair of the RFL that quote" I run a company that turns over £68mill every year so why should I listen to one chairman of a club". My reply to such arrogance would be " so out of £68mill turnover you can only make a £200 thousand pound profit, perhaps you should look at your own position. While he collects his air miles lets look at the game on the field. Why have we allowed it to be slowed down, why have we allowed the rules of the game to be diluted by poor refs and then allowed coaches to dictate how the game is to be played. The rules are the rules, please read the rule book and administer approprietly. The scrummaging is embarrassing the paying public do not know the difference between a prop or a winger. Lets get back to basics. As a club we have been up against it, as a city we have been up against our bigger neighbour, the name of Salford is slowly being extinguished from the map, we must fight against this we have to make people aware of our proud rugby club and make our club be something as a city we are proud of. If not we will become another feature in a museum. Sorry if I bored the pants of you all, but I needed to get it off my chest.
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Post by russ on Sept 15, 2016 0:28:06 GMT
Phew, redfan! that was about 14 threadsworth. Do agree about MK's advisors and a few shark players too. But what do you reckon to the rumours of new owners? Are they real or yet another one of those false dawns you mention?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 7:42:47 GMT
Couldn't agree more about some of the people who've been appointed and the advice he has been given.
Graham Lowe was rolled out when the Doc first took over and very quickly disappeared without a trace, can't see him doing it for peanuts, the name escapes me but an English guy from the Titans came over for a brief time and then scuttled off, Noble came in and brought with him old school thinking and invested in mercenaries & tried to turn us into Bradford circa 2001 and failed miserably, we appointed Iestyn Harris when many in the game said he was not a coach of quality and then the pièce de résistance Martin Vickers who's name will forever be a byword for incompetence.
For me if he'd have got a Sheens type figure in the first 12 months and gone for a strong big name Aussie coach and left him to do his job we'd have been basking in our new found stability and success by now.
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Post by Carnster on Sept 15, 2016 7:44:35 GMT
so here I am my first post, please don't be offended it is my own personal opinion. The perfect storm. Marwan took over when we were about to go to the wall, for that we should all be thankful. unfortunately he was ill advised. He brought together a selection of professional rugby people who he didn't know, to advise him of the best way forward with the club, how could he know these so called advisors, when he had little knowledge of rugby league, obviously by the man that runs the game, who first got him interested in the challenge. This was his downfall he trusted people who were only interested in making a fast buck from someone in business who was an achiever on a grand scale but he didn't realise that in such a small sport there were so many sharks. He will have to hold his hand up and say whoops i've been had. We are at a new ground in an area of Salford that is difficult to get to or from, owned by a council that as no experience of running professional sporting arenas, on top of that we now live in a city that in the last ten years as changed its demographic from white working class to a city full of people from around the globe, whose only purpose his to support there families from where they originate. They have no interest in Salford Rugby League Football Club, unless they can make money from it. I remember being told when super league/sky was first envisaged that all our prayers were answered. Mr Tarry said with this money we just need to build a new stand on the Weaste lane side with new changing rooms and various new facilities and that would set us up for the future. So many false dawns, yet other clubs have been allowed to plod on with poor grounds, yet on the playing side they have progressed. Good luck if you can get away with it. I recently heard a comment from the chair of the RFL that quote" I run a company that turns over £68mill every year so why should I listen to one chairman of a club". My reply to such arrogance would be " so out of £68mill turnover you can only make a £200 thousand pound profit, perhaps you should look at your own position. While he collects his air miles lets look at the game on the field. Why have we allowed it to be slowed down, why have we allowed the rules of the game to be diluted by poor refs and then allowed coaches to dictate how the game is to be played. The rules are the rules, please read the rule book and administer approprietly. The scrummaging is embarrassing the paying public do not know the difference between a prop or a winger. Lets get back to basics. As a club we have been up against it, as a city we have been up against our bigger neighbour, the name of Salford is slowly being extinguished from the map, we must fight against this we have to make people aware of our proud rugby club and make our club be something as a city we are proud of. If not we will become another feature in a museum. Sorry if I bored the pants of you all, but I needed to get it off my chest. A very good first post I may add. I agree with nearly everything you've written, except the scrum part. It is pointless and I wouldn't be sad to see it disappear completely rather than return to messy srummaging. Sports progress and the tactics and roles on the field change so wingers are bigger and stronger. I have no problems with this, it's just the way of things. Everything else you wrote, I don't think many would argue against it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 8:09:38 GMT
Should also add that the Doc has had some incredibly bad luck, we sign a player of the stature of Kevin Locke and he (long before his brain imploded) gets injured and can't even carry a water bottle and then the bridge on the bypass from the TC to Barton collapses preventing the improvement to the transport situation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 8:24:19 GMT
I'm on fire today.
Something else just occurred to me, if/when we do get a new owner pretty much nailed on we will have another rebrand, can't see new owners wanting the Docs face everywhere still can you?
You would hope that if this does happen the fans views are listened to and a nod is given to the heritage of the Devil image.
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Post by greg on Sept 15, 2016 8:30:15 GMT
I'm on fire today. Something else just occurred to me, if/when we do get a new owner pretty much nailed on we will have another rebrand, can't see new owners wanting the Docs face everywhere still can you? You would hope that if this does happen the fans views are listened to and a nod is given to the heritage of the Devil image. And get the 'Salford' name back on the badge!
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Post by Chico on Sept 15, 2016 8:32:03 GMT
Well scoot to be honest the Brian Snape example was from a very different world and comparison is largely useless. One comparison you can make is how they dealt with the RFL. Brian Snape, along with a couple of other commercial-thinking chairmen, were also critical of the RFL and the grip that Bill Fallowfield had on the game. But Snape got involved in the management committees, earned respect on the inside, brought marketing and PR consultants in, and chaired a Rugby League chairmen’s pressure group when Fallowfield dug his heels in. They put the wheels in motion to weed out Fallowfield from the inside and, in effect, helped save the British game from financial meltdown. Koukash has largely took aim at the RFL from the outside, as some kind of rogue crusader. I think it’s safe to say that this approach has met with little success.
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Post by redfan on Sept 15, 2016 9:00:07 GMT
Your right MR with bad luck, but that seems to be a common stream from the day we moved to the new stadium. Perhaps there was something in the Indian burial ground theory. Carnsteri im afraid I will have to disagree. From a playing point the old scrummaging system, whilst not pretty was a facet of the game in its pure form, six comrades against an equally determined six, who ever mastered the scrum, had a good chance of winning the game, also for your backline it gave them room to put on all kinds of moves, this was due to the fact that forwards were tired due to the work put into the scrum, this made for exciting rugby out wide. What we have now the scrum is formed(in the most loose way). When the rules changed as forwards we felt redundant instead of tearing into one another in the scrum we would be having a general chat, "how's the missus and kids" or "how's your season going". Fresh as daisies we break from the scrum and tackle any back that needed it, so again the game slows down, thus limiting the spectacle. One more point, how many great backs can you remember in the last say 15 years with the new laws, as opposed to the 15 years previous.
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Post by Carnster on Sept 15, 2016 9:57:00 GMT
We'll agree to disagree, redfan on this one.
Old fashioned scrums, while technical and important in the game of old, has rightly devolved in significance. The game has moved on and no longer needs or wants the time waster that was a contested scrum. It's also a messy thing to watch and doesn't really fit with the modern idea of a fast open game where the ball is in play for a significant amount of time. It's still a bit messy to watch in its current form but at least it's over in literally a second or so. Tactics and strategies change with the times. Think of the changes that have made the game much better for players and spectators. 40-20's or Taking the corner flag out of the equation for example. We, as a sport, can't be constantly looking to the past and seeing it as perfect. It wasn't. It wasn't bad but it wasn't great either. There's been plenty of stand-out backs over the last fifteen years but it's pointless to start listing names as the rating of players is too subjective for it to not collapse into the minutiae of individual achievements and qualities.
The roles of players have changed over the years. Forwards are not just workhorses and tackling machines. They may be required to fill in for backs, or be pivots, and certainly the better ones have a very good handling game. I'd rather have that than the old fashioned biffers and bruisers enforcing with dodgy tackles and throwing out the uppercuts in the scrum. It's not that I don't look back fondly on the games of yesteryear, there was some crackers and great players, but times have changed. The game's changed.
Each to their own though. It wouldn't do for us all to agree on everything!
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Post by russ on Sept 15, 2016 11:48:55 GMT
Wow a call for old fahioned scrummaging! I remember the interminable amount of time the scrum took, the resetting took longer and then a penalty anyway. And the reason for the difference in back line moves has nothing to do with scrums just defences being a whole lot better and more organised. There's less time to to be creative and less thinking time on the ball and percieving the gaps (of which there are Less!). Looking at out of date scrums as the answer is a bit like imagining Grammar schools can solve educational problems in a modern world and cure poverty to boot! Sorry redfan!
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Post by gadger on Sept 15, 2016 13:25:05 GMT
reminds me of that guy who was going to take over united some years ago, cannot remember his name, but turned out he had nowt. [/quote]
Michael Knighton, didn't he end up buying Carlisle instead? At least he could do a few keep ups
I dont think marwan has ever said how much he's worth, it's mostly fans from other clubs telling us how little he has and he's a gp from St Helens
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Post by russ on Sept 15, 2016 17:25:56 GMT
reminds me of that guy who was going to take over united some years ago, cannot remember his name, but turned out he had nowt. "Michael Knighton, didn't he end up buying Carlisle instead? At least he could do a few keep ups I dont think marwan has ever said how much he's worth, it's mostly fans from other clubs telling us how little he has and he's a gp from St Helens" Most of the discussion about Marwan has been led and determined by his critics. This has meant it could only ever go one way. If you look at TotalRL the threads about the Doc are full of bial and vitriol that wouldn't be out of place on the wall of a gents' toilet.
By the way has any one of these prospective buyers actually and officially put their hat into the ring?
I think writing in RED suits DEVILTALK don't you?
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