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Post by woody74 on Sept 23, 2018 10:18:56 GMT
I actually thought JLJ did a good job covering at fullback for Evalds. If he has a future in the game, perhaps it’s there or in the centres. Yes he did well at fullback and you have to question why he wasn't considered there yesterday? Watson surely has seen nothing from him in all the times hes played in the halves, whereas Evalds can play in the halves and would have been a much better option imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:33:37 GMT
When's the last time that Evalds played at half back? Has he played there since his academy days?
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 23, 2018 10:42:51 GMT
I actually thought JLJ did a good job covering at fullback for Evalds. If he has a future in the game, perhaps it’s there or in the centres. If he as I hope it's not with us. |
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 23, 2018 10:48:12 GMT
Give Watson the right tools and he has shown he is a good coach. For most of the year we have had one halfback and been selling our best players. We finally bring in a decent halfback/hooker and then win 5 games in a row. If he is responsible for signing JLJ then he has to take some flak for that, but it's been a nightmare season for a coach with rumours of players leaving every week so overall I think he has done a good job. Surely that's the same for any coach.People who went yesterday said we were terrible.Who is that down to the players the coach or the coach driver taking them down. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 11:08:04 GMT
It seems we are too predictable with JLJ in the side. It's up to the coach to get the best out of the players though. I just don't think he deserves slating every time we get beat.
Leeds, HKR and probably Widnes have all spent more than us and had less off field distractions. Yet they are still in the same position as us, so you could even argue that Watson had actually over achieved.
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 23, 2018 11:26:49 GMT
It seems we are too predictable with JLJ in the side. It's up to the coach to get the best out of the players though. I just don't think he deserves slating every time we get beat. Leeds, HKR and probably Widnes have all spent more than us and had less off field distractions. Yet they are still in the same position as us, so you could even argue that Watson had actually over achieved. Firstly I am not having ago at Watson. You mentioned Widnes and Leeds if my memory serves me right they have flirted the coaches. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 11:39:56 GMT
Yes you're right they both flirted their coaches. Widnes have won one game in about 4 months after ditching Betts and Leeds went from a top 8 position into the bottom 4.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 23, 2018 14:26:59 GMT
Yes you're right they both flirted their coaches. Widnes have won one game in about 4 months after ditching Betts and Leeds went from a top 8 position into the bottom 4. Be careful what you wish for. But Leeds haven't left it their they have brought in someone for next season.You no what they say a change is good as a rest.Widnes sacked Betts because of poor results over time it as not worked out but they will say they still did the right thing.That's what sports teams do if things are not right or perceived to be not right they sack the coach.Leeds should not be in the position they are in people say we have been poorly run if that's the case so have Leeds.Some would say our demise started after we achieve safety last season when some say we put the cue back on the rack and some say we have not been back to the table sine.Poor results generally mean the coach gets sacked that's just the way the mop flops.The question is since the the semi final last season would we still be playing for our existence in Super League on Thursday with a new coach or not it's all about opinions.But the fact remains a coach is judged on results not what squad he has to attain those results.Like I said that's the way the mop flops. |
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Post by bonitared on Sept 23, 2018 14:48:12 GMT
Your point about Widnes still thinking they did the right thing is completely wrong.
They will be asking themselves whether they would’ve stayed up with Betts.
As regards Watson I’ve no idea whether he’s a top coach,but I do know that he’s done very well indeed with the cards he’s been dealt.
I agree entirely with the sentiment ‘of be careful what you wish for’
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 23, 2018 15:04:51 GMT
Your point about Widnes still thinking they did the right thing is completely wrong. They will be asking themselves whether they would’ve stayed up with Betts. As regards Watson I’ve no idea whether he’s a top coach,but I do know that he’s done very well indeed with the cards he’s been dealt. I agree entirely with the sentiment ‘of be careful what you wish for’ They sacked Betts because they thought at the time it was the right thing to do.LikeI have said that's what clubs do. |
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Post by redunderthebed on Sept 23, 2018 15:19:08 GMT
London Red - about Burke. I think ‘encouraging’ is the right word so far. He isn’t a world beater. But he is solid in attack and defence. You want different things from props. Some are to burst holes in the defence, some you want to regularly make 7 to 10 metres and get a wick playbthe ball. I think he’s in the latter category. But with a decent pass added in. He puts in efffort and has a decent work rate. I haven’t checked the stats but I suspect he compares reasonably well in terms of average gain and tackle busts. I don’t remember him missing many tackles either
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Post by redunderthebed on Sept 23, 2018 15:30:22 GMT
Note to self - check stats before posting!! He has lowest average gain of any of the regular props. Not far off Murray and Burgess. Or Lannon. Better than the likes of Flanagan and McCarthy. Tackle busts again low but he’s played fewer games than most. He’s 1 ahead of burgess.
Only missed 2 tackles and 110 successful ones do that gives him one of the best defensive records for us
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 15:41:30 GMT
London Red - about Burke. I think ‘encouraging’ is the right word so far. He isn’t a world beater. But he is solid in attack and defence. You want different things from props. Some are to burst holes in the defence, some you want to regularly make 7 to 10 metres and get a wick playbthe ball. I think he’s in the latter category. But with a decent pass added in. He puts in efffort and has a decent work rate. I haven’t checked the stats but I suspect he compares reasonably well in terms of average gain and tackle busts. I don’t remember him missing many tackles either Thanks for that - I’ve just not taken a shine to him but definitely recognise I’m in the minority here. I’ll try and take a look at him next season with an open mind. Hopefully we’ll have enough props around him to make the hard yards. |
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Post by earlybath on Sept 23, 2018 15:47:10 GMT
Dixon - again - misses the fundamental point in his wish to sack Watson. Where does the money come from to pay him off?
Not that I want to by the way - I feel he has a lot to offer and lets hope there is sufficient in the kitty to retain the likes of Hastings should we retain status in 2019. A very eloquent coach such as Ian is a rarity in this great game of ours.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 15:47:44 GMT
I thought Burke was a 2nd row?
Looks like a decent pre season he would be much fitter and could be an excellent ball playing #13 if required.
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