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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 12:16:48 GMT
I only started off this user name as a response to Koukash dropping the word Salford from everything to do with the club. Like you say, let's hope it's never needed again in the future.
In terms of the merger, I had presumed it would be done to give us a chance of competing with the favoured RFL expansion clubs. If not then it would be a utterly pointless exercise. I'd rather bow out gracefully in all honesty.
All this because both clubs have had to sell a couple of players. When did we all become so mard?
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Post by Carnster on Jul 26, 2018 14:15:52 GMT
I only started off this user name as a response to Koukash dropping the word Salford from everything to do with the club. Like you say, let's hope it's never needed again in the future. In terms of the merger, I had presumed it would be done to give us a chance of competing with the favoured RFL expansion clubs. If not then it would be a utterly pointless exercise. I'd rather bow out gracefully in all honesty. All this because both clubs have had to sell a couple of players. When did we all become so mard? Yeah, well it's a little more complex than 'just selling a few players.' Decline in the sport. Decline in finances. Decline in attendances. Decline in interest. Are all forcing fringe clubs like ours and Leigh into smaller and smaller spaces, with little room to maneuver. Without short-term success, it's difficult to buck the trend for the long term. A clubs assets are its players, but ironically, RL clubs rarely pay fees due to the contractual nature of modern team sport. RL is one massive gamble for most clubs. Money has to be sunk into players, but there's no guarantee that they'll deliver. If they don't then they need to be offloaded, but clubs rarely pay fees to gain players. Their main income is through the fans and merchandise and food and drink. If the team plays badly it effects the income of the club, creating a catch-22. In our case, we don't have a club shop, very many fans, and don't get a cut of food sales. When Sky can't be bothered to renew the sponsorship in a few years, ALL clubs will be in danger of disappearing. Will RL get a better deal next time?
Can you see why everything is a little more than people getting mardy?
DB, love him or hate him, knew that Leigh needed to bounce back straight away for a chance of staying clear of the precipice they were stood on. His gamble didn't pay off. Believe me when I say that if we drop out of SL, that will, in all probability, signal the end of the club.
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Post by JJR on Jul 26, 2018 14:28:06 GMT
Carnster are you related to the Grim Reaper?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:31:37 GMT
The sport of RL has been 'dying' for 100 years. The only difference now is that thanks to things such as social media, everyone has an opinion, and it's usually a negative one.
It could well be the end of Salford if we go down, although it might not be. No one knows really what will happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:40:27 GMT
Carnster are you related to the Grim Reaper? Doubt he is, he is though wonderfully accurate as to the current plight of Salford and RL in general, I applaud your enthusiasm in the main but in this you deep down must understand Carnster is reading the writing on the wall. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:57:55 GMT
If you repeat something for long enough it will eventually become reality. Whether this makes it wonderfully accurate or not I suppose is a matter of opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 15:10:40 GMT
He isn’t wrong. If you read Rosler’s interview even he confirms how much trouble we are in.
I also applaud the enthusiasm and drive of the fans who are remaining positive and doing as much as they can but the fact remains that the club is going to end up a shadow of itself unless investment is found. I can’t see that happening with the general state of rugby league and uncertainty about Sky’s future involvement.
I’ll still turn up and chip in but won’t claim it’s all sunshine and rainbows for fear of upsetting some people - and neither should anyone else on an open discussion board.
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Post by hillbillyred on Jul 26, 2018 15:19:23 GMT
Although I would support you 100% BBS, there are worrying signs in the game. A recent informal survey of Championship clubs suggested far too many older aged supporters and far too few younger fans ... we're not attracting the future. Remember the Willows in the 80's ... a group of young fans started a fanzine and Scarlet Turkey. Nothing like that now.
I'm not saying the past was rosy as it was not. But there are structural issues that exacerbate any club's failings. That the Sky contract may not be renewed ... being talked about at RLHQ. The absence of Salford RLFC in the Manchester Evening News (usually at most only a couple of paragraphs a week) but pages and pages on United and City. all are indicative of how RL is seen in the general view. So, when things get messy, there's no big support to clear it up.
I'm not giving up on the product and nor is Carnster. I am not. Just aware.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 15:32:09 GMT
He isn’t wrong. If you read Rosler’s interview even he confirms how much trouble we are in. I also applaud the enthusiasm and drive of the fans who are remaining positive and doing as much as they can but the fact remains that the club is going to end up a shadow of itself unless investment is found. I can’t see that happening with the general state of rugby league and uncertainty about Sky’s future involvement. I’ll still turn up and chip in but won’t claim it’s all sunshine and rainbows for fear of upsetting some people - and neither should anyone else on an open discussion board. You're right and I don't think anyone is claiming it is sunshine and rainbows either, or suggesting that people don't comment. We're clearly struggling or we wouldn't be asking the fans for financial assistance. All I ask is for people to give the board now running the club a fair crack of the whip. 6 months into the regime and it's being written off with mergers etc the only way forward. If we're still in SL after this season let's see what they propose and hopefully it will be enough to get people back on side. If we go down we could well be doomed as many have suggested but we'll just have to wait and see on that one. |
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Post by buxtonred60 on Jul 26, 2018 15:36:07 GMT
My heart say,s NO to a merger, I am Salford through and through, as i`m sure any Leigh fan who has watched them for year`s. A couple of question`s`, Do leigh own there ground?  or is it like ours owned by some middle man ? Next question, Would the RFL allow us to merge and continue in the super league if Salford stayed up, or would we be classed as a new team, and be thrown out in favour of Toronto or toulouse., if one of those teams did not make it this season. Then the next question is what would we be called? as we would be the super league team we would become something on the the lines of Salford --------------- fill in the rest yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 15:40:50 GMT
Although I would support you 100% BBS, there are worrying signs in the game. A recent informal survey of Championship clubs suggested far too many older aged supporters and far too few younger fans ... we're not attracting the future. Remember the Willows in the 80's ... a group of young fans started a fanzine and Scarlet Turkey. Nothing like that now. I'm not saying the past was rosy as it was not. But there are structural issues that exacerbate any club's failings. That the Sky contract may not be renewed ... being talked about at RLHQ. The absence of Salford RLFC in the Manchester Evening News (usually at most only a couple of paragraphs a week) but pages and pages on United and City. all are indicative of how RL is seen in the general view. So, when things get messy, there's no big support to clear it up. I'm not giving up on the product and nor is Carnster. I am not. Just aware. Yes I remember the scarlet turkey. They spent a lot of their time getting abuse from sections of our fanbase for no apparent reason, as did Forever Reds, and now the fans board/supporters trust. I'm not sure why. You're right about some of the championship clubs. They were in a bad way the last time that we were down there and I don't suppose it has got any better since then. I'm not saying RL is particularly healthy, but it is struggling along in reality like it has for the majority of the history of the sport. Regarding the MEN, I believe for most sports apart from football and probably Lancs cricket, due to cutbacks they only feature stories if the club actually send them in to the newspaper themselves. Maybe this is something the ST could look into. Although this year it's probably for the best that we have rarely featured. |
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Post by Carnster on Jul 26, 2018 16:02:43 GMT
Carnster are you related to the Grim Reaper? Thanks for your contribution, JJR. |
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Post by JJR on Jul 26, 2018 16:53:54 GMT
Always a pleasure Carnster. I agree with some of what you say. Just wish you put things in a more balanced way. Anything you think the Club could do to survive?
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Post by Carnster on Jul 26, 2018 17:44:01 GMT
Always a pleasure Carnster. I agree with some of what you say. Just wish you put things in a more balanced way. Anything you think the Club could do to survive? They're trying. They could really do with a proper guiding hand. It appears that everyone at the club has a valid idea and they're all going off trying it at the same time. If it isn't like this, then it certainly appears that way. They need to do the little things right and more often, and more importantly let us know about it properly. If it wants the fans to feel more engaged, then they need to get them to fall in love with their club again. More media, more readily available than just stuck on a youtube channel and a link on Twitter that can be missed and never seen. Kids will be on Summer Hols soon. Giving parents a chance at entertaining the kids for a reasonable price might be a start this month. The trouble is, at this stage it really is damage limitation rather than promotion of the club. They're desperate to survive this season, and cutting debt has been key to that. I just hope that its effects on the playing squad have not been so severe as to effectively be cutting its own throat.
We'll see where we are at the end of the season. I feel a drop out of SL will mean the end for us. If we survive then I expect the people behind the scenes to stop panicking, take a deep breath, and try to go about things in a more controlled and positive manner as I'm not particularly impressed with how they're going about things.
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Post by bonitared on Jul 26, 2018 18:13:18 GMT
I simply don’t agree
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or is it like ours owned by some middle man 