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Post by redunderthebed on May 24, 2018 19:02:30 GMT
I'm not his biggest fan myself but why should he make a substantial investment when the fans can't be bothered to turn up? The most home fans we've had at a game this year is 3500 and we're likely to be under 2k tomorrow night. We don't deserve a benefactor. We hammered Wakefield in a game that was described as being our best performance in 3 years, and less than a week later under 3k turned up with around 50% of this figure from St Helens. There's a chance for us to make him put his hand in his pocket by buying a few of the half season tickets, but as that involves the fans actually doing something apart from moan on social media it's unlikely to bring in any major funds. The club has effectively issued a rallying cry to the fanbase and most people seem more concerned about taking pot shots at the previous owner. This sums up my feelings exactly. I’m never been a big fan of MK’s style but bloody hell. He’s shelled out a fortune of his own money and has now offered potentially a lot more. I’m sure he’s smart enough to know that Salford fans won’t take advantage of his offer so it won’t cost him much. All these people who were going to come back when he left have no found a different excuse. Couldn’t make it up if people dislike him that much why don’t they sting him by buying as many half tickets as they can. It would cost him a fortune |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 20:02:15 GMT
Last year the transfer deadline was 21st July and the play offs started on the 4th August. If there's a similar scenario this season then any fire sale after making the play offs would be impossible. Just because it was mentioned on a podcast doesn't mean it is true. Just a point.When he took over from Wilky I think we had about 4000.When we lost the points,because of him.We lost support.When he said he was going we lost some more.I would say now we are at 2500 hard core.I am not making excuses for people but I was talking to some friends who got fed up at United they told me you stay away and after a bit you don't miss it.Everyone wants to watch a winning team yes we should have more,Salford City have averaged about 1600 they are doing well if they get into the League are people in Salford who go to watch them and City going to divert to their home town team,I doubt it.When Koucash come in he should have started slowly done what the new board are trying to do get the academy going instead of the over the hill super stars and of course Rangi Chase,he would have done better and saved money.It was never going to happen he wanted to be top of the League at the end of his first season,like that old standard goes I'll do it my way. I agree with most of that to be fair. But it's all in the past now. We need to focus on where we are at now. There's a chance to wipe a £5m 'debt' from the club accounts within the next 18 months, if we get can get the club to a break even level. At the end of the day it will probably come down to how much interest there is when the club decides to issue shares in the club to supporters but it can obviously start now with the half season ticket sales. How much do fans value owning a part of the club? Maybe there's no interest. I've genuinely got no idea but I hope it's a success. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 20:07:46 GMT
Great that we’re fan owned but at the moment it doesn’t look sustainable. With the fan ownership is there a possibility we could be sold to a benefactor again? Just curious as I’m not confident the current model will work due to small fan base? We probably aren’t looking for a buyer but could we? Surely the directors are worried and see this? I’m not normally negative but I am worried about my club and with the removal of debt does this make us potentially more attractive? A £5m reduction in the clubs debt would make us more attractive yes. I presume the plan for the next season and a half would be to get the club to break even enabling this to happen. Then it would be up to the fans to whether to sell or not if any new benefactor was to come forward. |
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Post by earlybath on May 24, 2018 21:01:49 GMT
With Sky` input it would be easy to make a profit but at the cost of a quality playing squad.
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Post by osrd on May 24, 2018 21:09:18 GMT
Some people I know who were very forthright in slagging Marwan off on here and other social media have never been to the AJ Bell to my knowledge.
Others who I know who do attend matches from time to time appear more happier at times like this.
Marwans gesture is a good one and he should be respected for making it.
I am awaiting on the club to make some announcement shortly as to how they intend to go forward with any scheme to increase the amount of money they would like raise and how they aim to achieve it.
Listening to the questions and answers at the Supporters Trust meeting on Monday night proved,in my opinion that Andrew Rosler and the other board members plus several volunteers are working very hard behind the scenes and have been doing since they took over their positions several months later than they would have liked to through no fault of their own.
These people need all the support that they can get,financial and otherwise.
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Post by prestwichred on May 25, 2018 10:00:50 GMT
MK has got exactly what he wanted out of his latest half hearted attempt to help the club more media exposure.
He came into Salford with big claims delivered non and left with us in a perilous position.
He wasted money on has beens, bad coaches almost got us relegated through dodgy deals, paid out for a meaningless survey plus some more of his buddies scrapped the academy, and people want him back !
He left he said because the fans were against him and now uses the fact that these supposed fans have not come back as a weapon against us.
RL in general is in a slow decline.
Attendances apart from Saints across the board are down.
We have a RFL with barmpot ideas of expansionism and a competition where only 4 can win, that’s why people lose interest.
I want MK nowhere near my club and unlike him will carry on my support regardless.
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on May 25, 2018 10:47:41 GMT
I think the best way for Salford to get out of this quagmire is to actually lobby Barry Hearn and encourage him to get involved in revolutionising the sport of Rugby League, making it a more attractive prospect for fans and investors alike. Look at the transformation of darts as a good example.
In saying that, as I've already mentioned there are lots of plans behind the scenes coming to fruition in order to raise funds. I will shed a bit more light on this in due course.
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Post by hillbillyred on May 25, 2018 11:30:15 GMT
Hearn has been to see RLHQ but I do not think he can offer more than ideas. This is not darts: if all we did was a series of Magic weekends, then his way of operation may work. The grind over months with regular games does not fit him. I've seen little advantage in having his input when I watch darts in pubs, in fact it has gone against traditional matters such as log ends, round the board, cricket, etc.
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Post by gunner on May 25, 2018 11:54:06 GMT
Some people I know who were very forthright in slagging Marwan off on here and other social media have never been to the AJ Bell to my knowledge. Others who I know who do attend matches from time to time appear more happier at times like this. Marwans gesture is a good one and he should be respected for making it. I am awaiting on the club to make some announcement shortly as to how they intend to go forward with any scheme to increase the amount of money they would like raise and how they aim to achieve it. Listening to the questions and answers at the Supporters Trust meeting on Monday night proved,in my opinion that Andrew Rosler and the other board members plus several volunteers are working very hard behind the scenes and have been doing since they took over their positions several months later than they would have liked to through no fault of their own. These people need all the support that they can get,financial and otherwise. MK has got exactly what he wanted out of his latest half hearted attempt to help the club more media exposure. He came into Salford with big claims delivered non and left with us in a perilous position. He wasted money on has beens, bad coaches almost got us relegated through dodgy deals, paid out for a meaningless survey plus some more of his buddies scrapped the academy, and people want him back ! He left he said because the fans were against him and now uses the fact that these supposed fans have not come back as a weapon against us. RL in general is in a slow decline. Attendances apart from Saints across the board are down. We have a RFL with barmpot ideas of expansionism and a competition where only 4 can win, that’s why people lose interest. I want MK nowhere near my club and unlike him will carry on my support regardless. Two very good post, I am not & have never been a supporter of MK, however I do accept he did provide stability for a period of time. I wanted him out, I don't think he ever had a straight bat, he reminds me of someone who flits in & out of relationships playing with peoples heads. I am still an active supporter & a member of the trust, I think we need to remember it not MK who will determine the future of the club, it is ultimately the supporters. Far to often, we hear every reason why we don't support the club which just pisses me off. The club is drying not because MK pulled out but because the people of Salford cannot be bothered to support a club with over 100 history fighting for survival. I also believe there are lots of individuals putting in great work on behalf of our great club, they need our support more than ever. |
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Post by dereksmalls on May 25, 2018 12:26:35 GMT
The drop-off in paying spectators is frightening. I fear for how few will be there tonight in this weather. I'm all for a 'supporter owned' club if sustainable, but at the rate we are haemorrhaging fans, me and my two lads may be the only ones left in a few weeks and we go on holiday in August. Will someone be able to cover my absence until I get back?
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Post by redunderthebed on May 25, 2018 12:57:25 GMT
The drop-off in paying spectators is frightening. I fear for how few will be there tonight in this weather. I'm all for a 'supporter owned' club if sustainable, but at the rate we are haemorrhaging fans, me and my two lads may be the only ones left in a few weeks and we go on holiday in August. Will someone be able to cover my absence until I get back? I’m away in July so if you cover me and mine then I’ll do August 😉 I absolutely get why people feel the way they do about Koukash and I can’t argue with much of it. I don’t see the conspiracies most people do but I think he made some very bad decisions whilst he was in charge (along with some very good ones) What I really don’t understand people who stay away because of him. I am absolutely sick of people claiming to be fans and coming up with ever changing reasons to not turn up and support the club they say they’re a fan of. I’m not normally one for saying what people have to do to call themselves a fan. People can support in any way they want but to stay away for any reason when the club needs them more than ever seems utterly perverse and self defeating to me I know we have had years of not being good enough. I started in the late 80s so have never seen us as properly successful. The last few years have been the longest most consistently above average I have ever seen us. I know that isn’t good enough but it’s better that had come before. I’m also involved with a community club and the difference in engagement from Salford over the last 3 years is huge. Way more active in schools, way more attendance at clubs,regular meetings with community coaches, free tickets for junior players, games on the pitch, the academy college thing, the raise money for charity by selling tickets idea, the Supporrs Club being strong and the club listening and responding None of this perfect but it’s all improvements. This is all the long term stuff Marwan should have done abd Wilky should have done but they never did. It’s the stuff loads of fans have been crying out for. But still they don’t turn up. This stuff has a chance of really working over the next few years but if we don’t get through the next six months it won’t get a chance to work If people won’t turn up now then I don’t get how they can pretend to be fans. Feels a bit like people saying ‘I love my gran and she’s really ill but I don’t like that nursing home she’s in so I’m not going to visit her til she moves’. Just stop pretending and let the rest of us get on with it Let’s turn up and get behind the club |
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Post by osrd on May 25, 2018 13:05:53 GMT
The drop-off in paying spectators is frightening. I fear for how few will be there tonight in this weather. I'm all for a 'supporter owned' club if sustainable, but at the rate we are haemorrhaging fans, me and my two lads may be the only ones left in a few weeks and we go on holiday in August. Will someone be able to cover my absence until I get back? I’m away in July so if you cover me and mine then I’ll do August 😉 I absolutely get why people feel the way they do about Koukash and I can’t argue with much of it. I don’t see the conspiracies most people do but I think he made some very bad decisions whilst he was in charge (along with some very good ones) What I really don’t understand people who stay away because of him. I am absolutely sick of people claiming to be fans and coming up with ever changing reasons to not turn up and support the club they say they’re a fan of. I’m not normally one for saying what people have to do to call themselves a fan. People can support in any way they want but to stay away for any reason when the club needs them more than ever seems utterly perverse and self defeating to me I know we have had years of not being good enough. I started in the late 80s so have never seen us as properly successful. The last few years have been the longest most consistently above average I have ever seen us. I know that isn’t good enough but it’s better that had come before. I’m also involved with a community club and the difference in engagement from Salford over the last 3 years is huge. Way more active in schools, way more attendance at clubs,regular meetings with community coaches, free tickets for junior players, games on the pitch, the academy college thing, the raise money for charity by selling tickets idea, the Supporrs Club being strong and the club listening and responding None of this perfect but it’s all improvements. This is all the long term stuff Marwan should have done abd Wilky should have done but they never did. It’s the stuff loads of fans have been crying out for. But still they don’t turn up. This stuff has a chance of really working over the next few years but if we don’t get through the next six months it won’t get a chance to work If people won’t turn up now then I don’t get how they can pretend to be fans. Feels a bit like people saying ‘I love my gran and she’s really ill but I don’t like that nursing home she’s in so I’m not going to visit her til she moves’. Just stop pretending and let the rest of us get on with it Let’s turn up and get behind the club I agree 100% with what you have written. |
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