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Post by devilsadvocate on Apr 30, 2018 10:03:54 GMT
Well we are now well into the season and this is where I see the Club.
On the field I think we are performing slightly above expectations considering the squad and long may that continue.We obviously need new recruits but will that happen?
I have mixed feelings about Ian Watson.Sometimes we have produced performances well above expectations and other times we have performed below expectations and much worse.There are mitigating circumstances for this,either squad size or off field issues.However the biggest concern for me is the consistent end of season fade outs we have had under him.We can't afford one this season.
Off field I think we all have lots of time for the new board.We all appreciate the difficult situation they are working under through no fault of their own.Their openness with the fans is admirable and their willingness to listen to fans ideas is also good.I hate to be negative, and it is not their fault, but in all honesty everything that comes forward smacks of the worthiness of the ideas under John Wilkinson at his best,however, in addition he had some money.The crowds are falling because ultimately the casual fan only sees a spiral downwards.Selling your best players and rumours about other is always damaging.It is obvious we need a benefactor otherwise it will be a slow demise to whichever level, or out of existence.
This will be controversial but I think the biggest achievement the board could make would be to bring Marwan back to the Club.Surely it is obvious now that he was not the cause of the crowds being small,they are now much smaller.In addition we have fallen off the radar publicity-wise.For good or ill Marwan always kept Salford in the news and as the saying goes "no publicity is bad publicity!".
I see no other positive way forward because for all the schemes put forward I can't see them being productive enough.
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Post by hillbillyred on Apr 30, 2018 11:18:48 GMT
It's not controversial: Marwan stepped in and has stepped out. this is completely his right and I thank him for getting involved. Yes, we need a person willing to invest a lot of money with no return.The only issue is who? The power of Association Football is so great that it has become the magnet for these businessmen. Why get involved in Rugby League in Salford/Manchester? Little publicity and no kudos; in fact you'd be branded with old ideas. Compare us to Castleford or Warrington: lots of local publicity and local kudos in those towns.
As you know I live in Rochdale and was involved in Oldham for over two decades. A similar picture can be seen in both towns. I fear Leigh may join the gang: their owner has hinted at walking if they do not get promoted.
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Post by prestwichred on Apr 30, 2018 11:33:22 GMT
Koukash back😳👎
The man was a serial liar almost cost us our SL place,made us a laughing stock,brought in overpaid overhyped players, brought in the wrong coaches and backroom staff, scrapped the academy, left us with more debt, wanted to change our name to Manchester.
Need any more?
Please tell me what he actually brought to the club ?
Yes he saved us but then we had years of pain with him in charge.
The only good things he did was to bring in Ian Watson and leave.
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Post by dixon13 on Apr 30, 2018 11:35:58 GMT
It's not controversial: Marwan stepped in and has stepped out. this is completely his right and I thank him for getting involved. Yes, we need a person willing to invest a lot of money with no return.The only issue is who? The power of Association Football is so great that it has become the magnet for these businessmen. Why get involved in Rugby League in Salford/Manchester? Little publicity and no kudos; in fact you'd be branded with old ideas. Compare us to Castleford or Warrington: lots of local publicity and local kudos in those towns. As you know I live in Rochdale and was involved in Oldham for over two decades. A similar picture can be seen in both towns. I fear Leigh may join the gang: their owner has hinted at walking if they do not get promoted. I agree with a lot of what you say.Yesterday I went to watch Rochdale and Sheffield and to be honest I saw more watchable rugby IE hard running and backing up and off the cuff play than I saw from us on Friday night.I don't know about us but I fear for the game I envisage a eight team super league at best even then you will have two divisions then you find Hemmings,Arthur,Barry and Terry on the comedy channel. |
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Post by gunner on Apr 30, 2018 11:37:56 GMT
Marwen had a shelf life & I will always be grateful for him keeping the dream alive. We have achieved well this season on the smallest budget & have only lost narrowly to Widnes & Wakefield away around us. Alarmingly rugby league does not feature high on the Salford public agenda & with the success of Salford City clearly a new generation of children are gravitating to football rather than rugby.
I feel for the new board & the coaching staff including Ian Watson who is doing an incredible job with both hands behind is back, however I do fear we will slide without real investment & can only hope the coaching staff continue to punch above their weight.
Finally if you need a sugar daddy look no further than Mr Salford who continues to project the image of being local but refuses to help his home town city. (Bet Fred) league sponsors.
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Post by johnh1 on Apr 30, 2018 12:23:17 GMT
I would have been happy at the start of the season to be in 8th place, 4 points ahead of the rest at the half way stage. Not particularly bothered about the Saints result. Was it any worse than losing to a last second drop goal like we did last year? We got no points either way. I think we are back to needing to win winnable games and not worry about big losses to the likes of Saints. Key games now are the ones against the bottom 4. Win most of those and we should be alright.
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Post by hillbillyred on Apr 30, 2018 15:24:02 GMT
"I don't know about us but I fear for the game": I intended to attend yesterday but other matters got in the way. I agree with you. There are many types of football and Association Football is one of them. Try to explain that in Greater Manchester. In this county, Rugby League Football is not dying but extremely unhealthy.
When i think what a day's wages' amount at United or City could do if invested for all local RL teams, whether pub or SL, I shudder
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Post by Carnster on Apr 30, 2018 16:49:56 GMT
Koukash back😳👎 The man was a serial liar almost cost us our SL place,made us a laughing stock,brought in overpaid overhyped players, brought in the wrong coaches and backroom staff, scrapped the academy, left us with more debt, wanted to change our name to Manchester. Need any more? Please tell me what he actually brought to the club ? Yes he saved us but then we had years of pain with him in charge. The only good things he did was to bring in Ian Watson and leave. He brought financial stability. With that comes players and staff that are happy to commit to the club, and is a far more attractive proposition for prospective players coming in. He brought in Watson, changed the mentality behind the scenes. Brought in quality resources for playing staff. Funded better gym equipment and facilities. Gave us access to much better medical facilities/rehab equipment and people.
He also gave us our most successful team in the SL era. It's okay to dislike him and how he did things. But it's simply an untruth to state that the only thing he did was bring in Watson and leave.
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Post by Carnster on Apr 30, 2018 17:04:27 GMT
A decent overview.
My thoughts are fairly similar in that we are probably outperforming where I thought we would be. I'm still giving the new owners a honeymoon period, although it will be coming to an end sooner rather than later. They say the right things, but the lack of anything substantial in any area so far is slightly alarming. I understand the dynamics involved, and I'd prefer brutal honesty from the board going forward. I simply don't see us surviving long term under current circumstances. We need a bit of monumental luck for things to change for the better as people are still not coming, less in fact than under MK. No people equals no money. No money equals no club.
I wish it wasn't so, but it's bleak.
And now here's the version for those of a sensitive disposition....
We'll be fine. The thousands of mythical Salford fans are chomping at the bit to return to this new 'Salford RL run by Salford people' club. After all, you cut the majority of our fans and they bleed red...
For Manchester. Ironically. Keep the faith.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 17:35:22 GMT
Pretty fair assessment, I though think the new board are already showing signs of falling into the trap of same old, same old. They are making the right noises but for me those noises seem to be a little hollow.
Playing wise we're on a par with what I expected, didn't see Thursday night coming and feel that it might be more of a set back than we realise, another drubbing awaits on Friday and think we'll struggle to beat a resurgent Leigh the week after, someone else mentioned the way our seasons have tailed of alarmingly under Watson, do that this season and we'll be in the Championship if we make it through an off season.
Honestly do think if we make the top 8 and survive this year next season will be more stable and we can then aim to progress, it is though a very big IF.
As for the Doc we all owe him a debt of gratitude, sure he is a tool of the highest order but as been pointed out it helped the Red Devils name get valuable column inches, I'm disappointed he isn't still involved with the club as feel he has walked a season to early, keep BMM and a bit of a tweek here and there to the squad and for me a top 6 and tilt at the top 4 was a definite possibility.
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Post by lhred on Apr 30, 2018 18:38:53 GMT
Let’s just remember we do have 5million in debt after the doc left!the bottom line is and always will be that we need a wealthy backer and without that we cannot move forward it’s difficult for the new owners I feel they are trying but we are treading water the daft thing is we are one of only 7media cities in the world and have major companies on our doorstep ie talk talk Kellogg’s Fred done etc!
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Post by JJR on Apr 30, 2018 18:59:02 GMT
Slight mis-conception there Carnster. The new owners are US the fans.
The one person putting any effort in is Andy Rosler, he's a fan, not getting paid and putting endless hours in getting the ship moving again. The other 3 Board members seem to be absent.
So the fans own the Club and one person is putting lots of work in and of course Carnster at a distance can criticise OR possibly do something to help your Club which we all partly own. Wonder which it will be?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 19:15:37 GMT
Slight mis-conception there Carnster. The new owners are US the fans. The one person putting any effort in is Andy Rosler, he's a fan, not getting paid and putting endless hours in getting the ship moving again. The other 3 Board members seem to be absent. So the fans own the Club and one person is putting lots of work in and of course Carnster at a distance can criticise OR possibly do something to help your Club which we all partly own. Wonder which it will be? As you know from private messages I've written to the club with ideas and an offer of help and still deathly silence, if the board really do want the fans help they need to take it, all they have done so far is ask for it and then ignored someone who offered to help. |
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Post by JJR on Apr 30, 2018 19:50:28 GMT
What I can't understand is that it's always somebody else's fault.
Admin I think there needs to be another Q & A with Andy Rosler there's too many questions and too many misconceptions.
Might also be getting Dave Campbell on who's also busting a gut for no pay but lots of criticism.
There needs to be a reality check.
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Post by Carnster on Apr 30, 2018 19:54:22 GMT
Slight mis-conception there Carnster. The new owners are US the fans. The one person putting any effort in is Andy Rosler, he's a fan, not getting paid and putting endless hours in getting the ship moving again. The other 3 Board members seem to be absent. So the fans own the Club and one person is putting lots of work in and of course Carnster at a distance can criticise OR possibly do something to help your Club which we all partly own. Wonder which it will be? Wonder away...
You're not making any argument. You're just pointing at me and having a go. You actually want to discuss the issues without having a dig at me (For whatever reason that achieves...)then fire away.
Your point is this...'We're the owners, one of us is trying the rest are not, what are you doing about it?'
As someone who has played for the club, marketed it, Been part of its self-promotion, raised money for it, given-up my time to make money for it, offer it ideas and sank countless pounds into it. I thought I'd offer an opinion that is free to be countered in a way that is respectful and productive. There's a few on here who just seem to dislike my opinion or me, whichever, and rather than offer a genuine alternative or counterpoint to what I'm saying, would rather just take the low ground and have a pop. That's okay, but you're not making any points apart from that I'm not allowed to criticize because of...reasons. Right oh...
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