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Post by mrg on Mar 22, 2018 22:07:05 GMT
I understand going for the penalty’s we haven’t got a kicker with Dobbo and now Gaz gone so best to take an easy 2 and get the ball back every time we can. If we score out wide we’re not going to get the conversion so makes sense to me. A good dominant display I thought, we just to smarten up near the line.
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Post by darwen1873 on Mar 22, 2018 22:21:52 GMT
There were many talking points from that game including some very questionable refereeing decisions and also some ill discipline in the 2nd half by us.
However the real turning point for me was the ridiculous penalty Olpherts gave away when he stepped in front of their chasing player. Why did he do it? Evalds had dealt with that high ball all game and indeed caught the ball on that occasion. They went into the lead straight from that and we didn’t get a look in for the next 10 minutes. I firmly believe we would have won but for that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 22:30:19 GMT
There were many talking points from that game including some very questionable refereeing decisions and also some ill discipline in the 2nd half by us. However the real turning point for me was the ridiculous penalty Olpherts gave away when he stepped in front of their chasing player. Why did he do it? Evalds had dealt with that high ball all game and indeed caught the ball on that occasion. They went into the lead straight from that and we didn’t get a look in for the next 10 minutes. I firmly believe we would have won but for that. Just a stupid thing to do, same as you think that was the game changing moment. In his defence though do think he actually scored a try, incredibly odd VR decision to turn it down. |
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Post by darwen1873 on Mar 22, 2018 22:36:58 GMT
There were many talking points from that game including some very questionable refereeing decisions and also some ill discipline in the 2nd half by us. However the real turning point for me was the ridiculous penalty Olpherts gave away when he stepped in front of their chasing player. Why did he do it? Evalds had dealt with that high ball all game and indeed caught the ball on that occasion. They went into the lead straight from that and we didn’t get a look in for the next 10 minutes. I firmly believe we would have won but for that. Just a stupid thing to do, same as you think that was the game changing moment. In his defence though do think he actually scored a try, incredibly odd VR decision to turn it down. Completely agree - there was no proof whatsoever to overturn the try decision. I’m also at a loss as to how he was adjudged to have given his first penalty away. I think Olpherts looks a bright prospect but all his positives tonight were undone by that stupid obstruction. |
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Post by kitch on Mar 22, 2018 22:52:34 GMT
An odd game. I thought man for man we were better nearly all over the park. Yet we lost. The yellow card put us on the back foot, and we lost the energy advantage we’d built up in the first half. And the obstruction was needless. I really didn’t understand the decision when we presumably got done for a ball strip when we were in possession. Will need to see that again to understand, but fundamentally we blew a winning position with stupid penalties.
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Post by dixon13 on Mar 22, 2018 22:55:59 GMT
Only saw the last 5 minutes so can't comment.When Widnes got the last try from the restart we went long you would have thought we would have contested the kick off.
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Post by bigfish on Mar 22, 2018 22:57:37 GMT
Can’t fault the effort from them, on another night we win that game.
The sin bin was a joke, sapped a lot of energy out of us. The ball steal was a really harsh call as well I thought, would like to see it back.
I totally agree regarding Olpherts, feel sorry for him tbh because he had a good game, would’ve had a debut try without VR but made a mistake that turned the game at a crucial point. I was screaming “DONT BLOCK HIM DONT BLOCK HIM!”, god knows what he was thinking but it’s just inexperience and he’ll learn from it.
For what it’s worth I thought the decisions to take the 2 were the right decisions at the time. Neither team wanted to lose that tonight and knew points would be at a premium. Let’s give Widnes some credit, they are a much better side than last year.
Our forwards are being severely let down by the backs, in the last 20 mins we saw widnes use their kicking game well and pin us deep in our half. The kicking from Lui and Littlejohn was woeful second half, don’t think they found touch once. We allowed them back into the game because of this.
On Littlejohn - very poor, lacking confidence and pretty much non existent. My god how we’re missing Dobbo. If he was playing tonight we’d have wrapped that game up. I just don’t think Littlejohn has it in his locker to take us forward and Lui doesn’t have the kicking game to manage a lead.
Anyway, onto next week. If we put that sort of effort in we should get past Catalans.
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Post by bonitared on Mar 23, 2018 1:53:48 GMT
Can’t fault the effort from them, on another night we win that game. The sin bin was a joke, sapped a lot of energy out of us. The ball steal was a really harsh call as well I thought, would like to see it back. I totally agree regarding Olpherts, feel sorry for him tbh because he had a good game, would’ve had a debut try without VR but made a mistake that turned the game at a crucial point. I was screaming “DONT BLOCK HIM DONT BLOCK HIM!”, god knows what he was thinking but it’s just inexperience and he’ll learn from it. For what it’s worth I thought the decisions to take the 2 were the right decisions at the time. Neither team wanted to lose that tonight and knew points would be at a premium. Let’s give Widnes some credit, they are a much better side than last year. Our forwards are being severely let down by the backs, in the last 20 mins we saw widnes use their kicking game well and pin us deep in our half. The kicking from Lui and Littlejohn was woeful second half, don’t think they found touch once. We allowed them back into the game because of this. On Littlejohn - very poor, lacking confidence and pretty much non existent. My god how we’re missing Dobbo. If he was playing tonight we’d have wrapped that game up. I just don’t think Littlejohn has it in his locker to take us forward and Lui doesn’t have the kicking game to manage a lead. Anyway, onto next week. If we put that sort of effort in we should get past Catalans. I agree with virtually all of this. I’d not seen much of Littlejohn before tonight,and I didn’t see much of him tonight either. Very early on ,one of the commentators said that,although we were dominating,we couldn’t use Lui at every single play. That turned out to be correct. Brian Noble was crucified for 5 drives and a kick. Nothing changes ! On a positive note,apart from the pack,I thought that Evalds was exceptional. We are a very strong side,desperately short of a bit more craft |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 8:38:41 GMT
Big defeat, blew it due to lack of creativity. Same old same old, some decent individual displays but yet again in front of the Sky cameras we flopped. After the first 10 minutes I thought we were going to win comfortably.
A win against Catalan doesn't change much, I really fear for us tbh with the games we've got coming up Leeds, Wire, Huddersfield only one of them is winnable.
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Post by scoot on Mar 23, 2018 8:50:47 GMT
In an untelevised game Olpherts try would of been given. Just shows that all games either need the video referee or or no video ref at all.
The video ref was feeding Thaler with info all through the game, and the ball strip, how can the ref shout held when both players are still moving, Olpherts got the ball back.
We were on the end of some bad decisions last night.Five drives and a kick ? we are just playing to our strengths, a big pack, no flair or creatability
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Post by osrd on Mar 23, 2018 8:58:20 GMT
I thought that we played the conditions very well for a large part of the game,we made a couple of errors and were punished for them.
The officials also made some errors and a decision should be made quickly over how the video referee operates and either we have it at every match or we do not have it at all,it would also be interesting to hear what is said between the officials regarding the decisions.
Fair play to Widnes they took what chances they had,we had lots of possession and didn’t capitalise on it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 9:00:08 GMT
In an untelevised game Olpherts try would of been given. Just shows that all games either need the video referee or or no video ref at all. The video ref was feeding Thaler with info all through the game, and the ball strip, how can the ref shout held when both players are still moving, Olpherts got the ball back. We were on the end of some bad decisions last night.Five drives and a kick ? we are just playing to our strengths, a big pack, no flair or creatability Nothing wrong with playing to our strengths through the forwards, but at some point on tackle 4/5 you've got to at least attempt to move it out wide and try and stretch the defence. Poor tactics cost us last night IMO. We might have sneaked a narrow victory on another night but with our possession and territory in the first half we should've got more points in the board. A frustrating evening overall. |
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Post by gadger on Mar 23, 2018 10:43:30 GMT
Big defeat, blew it due to lack of creativity. Same old same old, some decent individual displays but yet again in front of the Sky cameras we flopped. After the first 10 minutes I thought we were going to win comfortably. A win against Catalan doesn't change much, I really fear for us tbh with the games we've got coming up Leeds, Wire, Huddersfield only one of them is winnable. Maybe you were watching a different game? I’m not suggesting we were great by any means however we were far better than Widnes for the vast majority of the game. The ref absolutely killed us, ref gets the big decisions right (Olpherts try, ball strip, Tasi yellow) and we win the game. This isn’t to say we don’t have problems as we do. No flair whatsoever, I’m struggling to see Littlejohn getting anywhere near good enough, maybe we do need to bite the bullet and get someone in. Get a decent half back in this team I think we can still make the top 8. |
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Post by gunner on Mar 23, 2018 10:52:37 GMT
Can’t fault the effort from them, on another night we win that game. The sin bin was a joke, sapped a lot of energy out of us. The ball steal was a really harsh call as well I thought, would like to see it back. I totally agree regarding Olpherts, feel sorry for him tbh because he had a good game, would’ve had a debut try without VR but made a mistake that turned the game at a crucial point. I was screaming “DONT BLOCK HIM DONT BLOCK HIM!”, god knows what he was thinking but it’s just inexperience and he’ll learn from it. For what it’s worth I thought the decisions to take the 2 were the right decisions at the time. Neither team wanted to lose that tonight and knew points would be at a premium. Let’s give Widnes some credit, they are a much better side than last year. Our forwards are being severely let down by the backs, in the last 20 mins we saw widnes use their kicking game well and pin us deep in our half. The kicking from Lui and Littlejohn was woeful second half, don’t think they found touch once. We allowed them back into the game because of this. On Littlejohn - very poor, lacking confidence and pretty much non existent. My god how we’re missing Dobbo. If he was playing tonight we’d have wrapped that game up. I just don’t think Littlejohn has it in his locker to take us forward and Lui doesn’t have the kicking game to manage a lead. Anyway, onto next week. If we put that sort of effort in we should get past Catalans. A good & balanced assessment |
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Post by Redrum on Mar 23, 2018 13:27:53 GMT
5 drives and a kick rugby. 3 kicks taken when near the line as well. Percentage rugby at its worst. Out of the backs only Sau Lui and Evalds come out of that with any credit. Was Littlejohn actually playing? We are better than that and if Watson perseveres with those tactics then bottom of the league beckons. Completion rate in the 90% easy when you do fook all with the ball. New faces needed desperately to liven up a static back line. Remember when I got dogged a few weeks back for the Brian Nobble style rugby post?? The problem is JLJ, he looks panic stricken ball in hand and he can't wait to get rid of it. Not once have I seen him taking the line on or creating spaces, just nowhere near good enough at the moment. We lost last night because of some poor penalties, a ball strip which never was and kicking for two. We are effectivly operating with one HB, if lui got injured now we would be in the deepest sh1t if not so already. |
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