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Post by gunner on Jun 15, 2018 6:37:32 GMT
Well done Salford made me feel happy.
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Post by gunner on Jun 14, 2018 8:45:17 GMT
For me, it all seems a little disjointed. We the fans are supposed to own the club, yet nobody has contributed anything financially, or is involved in any way meaningful. There seems to be plenty of layers with plenty of people in each, but nobody seems to be taking any decisions bar AR. If anyone else is, it's not communicated effectively. There seems to be the same level of interaction with the fans and the club as ever. We have a supporters trust, but I'm struggling to see the impact they are having. That's not a slight on those hard-working people either, before those involved jump down my throat. If things are being achieved then I, as a fan, am not hearing about it. It's all a bit muddled. It feels like we're stumbling blindly forward rather than having anything organised to strive for... I actually agree with this to a certain extent. The goals/aims of the new ownership model should've been the first thing they communicated along with how and what they want the fans to get involved. However it's pretty obvious to everyone that we are struggling, and the main way that the fans can help out is by attending games and getting some money through the turnstiles. We'll probably be lucky to get 1500 vs Widnes, with these meagre gate receipts expected to pay the bills until the next home game a month later. When the next inveitable player sale then happens the board will then cop for a load more flak, but perhaps we also need to look a bit closer to home. some good points raised, as a trust member season ticket holder & contributor I don't see any real direction. I am not saying individuals are not working hard it just all seems very disjointed. I & am sure others are willing to contribute more but there appears to be very little direction, I will be there tonight.
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Post by gunner on Jun 13, 2018 16:36:05 GMT
The Supporters own the Club. Stop waiting for someone to come along with cash to pay for your enjoyment. Get stuck in yourselves. It can be done if everybody decides to do it. Asif seemed a passenger to me. Could anybody tell me what he contributed besides a nice speech JJR It all seems very confusing, not trying to be funny but who are the power brokers? the elected members with no say, the trust, the managing director or Andy Rosler, we appear to have no direction other than well intended fans. I think tomorrow games needs to accompany a leaflet spelling out what is needed, by the club, the trust, the elected board or who ever, hopefully we will reach those not only trust members but those who have no interest in social media. I am not trying to be clever but with no income over the next month it does appear without too much of a finer point we have some very serious issues.
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Post by gunner on Jun 13, 2018 15:46:36 GMT
On the face of it, it does appear that this is a power grab by a self elected Super League Executive Board. Personally I quite like the current structure in terms of the Super Eights etc, although I accept that it does routinely put clubs like ours in a precarious situation. I dont think that returning to a previously tried structure that a decent amount of people didnt feel worked either, is in any way a better alternative. Therefore it seems to me that this announcement is an attempt to stick two fingers up to the RFL. I think there is a genuine consensus across the game that as a governing body, it hasnt been fit for purpose for sometime. However it may be dangerous to fully support what appears to be a small group of chairmen who are making unilateral decisions regarding the future of the entire sport. If they were to take control I would imagine central funding from any existing or future TV deal would be limited to Super League. This would probably make for a higher quality elite division, allowing clubs to be more competitive with the NRL or Union in terms of contracts, but would in all likelyhood be to the detriment of the sport as a whole. Certainly form the perspective of the semi professional clubs making up the majority of the remaining leagues. If however the elite clubs were to make a large, binding commitment to academies, reserve sides, and a clear career path from young amateur to full time pro then this could be the kind of sweeping change that the sport has been crying out for. I suppose in situations like these you just have to hope you end up on the winning side. I am comforted by our clubs decidedly non-committal statement on our website which at least gives us some room for maneuver. Interesting times indeed. Promotion & relegation, one up one down, two up two down works fine in every other sport, the reason rugby league became stale was the elite club, which we became a member of.
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Post by gunner on Jun 11, 2018 19:03:36 GMT
Flash isn’t too happy that this hit resulted in no further punishment: Can’t blame him - shocking! First time I had seen the hit, absolutely disgusting, I am sure if he had played for Leeds or Wigan the outcome would have been very different. Inconsistency at its best.
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Post by gunner on Jun 11, 2018 18:59:04 GMT
I asked the question months ago & was poo pooed on here. I could relate to 3 of the member being passionate Salford fans, however where did Aslif come from! A-plant near St Helens, for someone who was co-opted to the board with marketing experience I have thought he would have been the most visible in promoting the club. Asif Latief has been involved with the Red Devil’s Foundation for quite a long time,I think that he may be one of the trustees and anyone who feels that he isn’t passionate about the club should have heard him speak at the meetings that he attended along with the other board members. The board may well be working hard behind the scenes and as has people have previously stated they will need time to sort the problems out. Thank you for the clarification
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Post by gunner on Jun 11, 2018 11:38:59 GMT
What's sad for me is,that Koucash selected the board then pushed them out in a boat without a paddle.You would have fought having made the change he would have given them an even chance but he just let them flounder. I asked the question months ago & was poo pooed on here. I could relate to 3 of the member being passionate Salford fans, however where did Aslif come from! A-plant near St Helens, for someone who was co-opted to the board with marketing experience I have thought he would have been the most visible in promoting the club.
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Post by gunner on May 31, 2018 11:39:39 GMT
Approximately £10 milllion received from Sky 2013-17 gate and season ticket sales 5 seasons unpaid monies to CVA,5 seasons nil rental paid to stadium on the credit side I never have or would every trust MK! It looks like the new board pays there bills but have no funds to run the club, MK funded players being brought in, but paid no bills. the club had CVA for a reason, shirt sponsors are one example. Looking back on John Wilkinson time, he tried to do the right thing, pushed by the rugby league to go to a modern stadium, he beleaved if he did not make the move Salford would have not be allowed in super league, to only end up with a debit of only £3 million on arrival at the new stadium for me is quite amazing, to apply another £5 million from 2013 to 2017 when you have not paid any rent or paid many bills does not add up. He wasted a lot of money fighting legal cases, taking on the rugby league and ran useless surveys to help facilitate his exit plan, I presume all these debit are saddled now with the club. I would happily be proved wrong, sadly this thread Looks like we are heading on a one way ticket.
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Post by gunner on May 25, 2018 11:54:06 GMT
Some people I know who were very forthright in slagging Marwan off on here and other social media have never been to the AJ Bell to my knowledge. Others who I know who do attend matches from time to time appear more happier at times like this. Marwans gesture is a good one and he should be respected for making it. I am awaiting on the club to make some announcement shortly as to how they intend to go forward with any scheme to increase the amount of money they would like raise and how they aim to achieve it. Listening to the questions and answers at the Supporters Trust meeting on Monday night proved,in my opinion that Andrew Rosler and the other board members plus several volunteers are working very hard behind the scenes and have been doing since they took over their positions several months later than they would have liked to through no fault of their own. These people need all the support that they can get,financial and otherwise. MK has got exactly what he wanted out of his latest half hearted attempt to help the club more media exposure. He came into Salford with big claims delivered non and left with us in a perilous position. He wasted money on has beens, bad coaches almost got us relegated through dodgy deals, paid out for a meaningless survey plus some more of his buddies scrapped the academy, and people want him back ! He left he said because the fans were against him and now uses the fact that these supposed fans have not come back as a weapon against us. RL in general is in a slow decline. Attendances apart from Saints across the board are down. We have a RFL with barmpot ideas of expansionism and a competition where only 4 can win, that’s why people lose interest. I want MK nowhere near my club and unlike him will carry on my support regardless. Two very good post, I am not & have never been a supporter of MK, however I do accept he did provide stability for a period of time. I wanted him out, I don't think he ever had a straight bat, he reminds me of someone who flits in & out of relationships playing with peoples heads. I am still an active supporter & a member of the trust, I think we need to remember it not MK who will determine the future of the club, it is ultimately the supporters. Far to often, we hear every reason why we don't support the club which just pisses me off. The club is drying not because MK pulled out but because the people of Salford cannot be bothered to support a club with over 100 history fighting for survival. I also believe there are lots of individuals putting in great work on behalf of our great club, they need our support more than ever.
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Post by gunner on May 22, 2018 11:17:48 GMT
A few thoughts Today was absolutely not good enough. We obviously have been nowhere near good enough for weeks At the start of the season our forwards were winning their battle most games but our backs, half backs in particular (including Lui), were letting us down. That meant we either won or lost narrowly Today and last few games we’ve lost the forward battle. We’ve stopped making many metres forward and we’re ‘losing the collision’ in defence so the other team is comfortably making 8-15 metres on every drive and playing the ball before our defenders are back on their feet and we concede penalties for offside and holding down. This is the most worrying thing as it is the strongest part of our squad Coaches depend on results and we’re not getting them so clearly Watson is at risk. But I honestly don’t think the team are playing to his instructions. He’s said himself today and after other games. The tactics can be seen in the attacking shapes when we are on top. Those are not positions that players adopt without being coached and working on it in training. However once we go behind we revert to one up rugby really quickly. That is what players do without being coached. They get nervous about mistakes, wanting to show they are doing their bit, hesitate instead of pushing up and supporting, that kind of thing. Also when you make as many errors as we did against Leigh for instance you can’t get into position to get the attacking moves going so you never get out of the one man drives I suspect Watson has looked at the skills we’ve got and told his players that when the other team are on top to simplify our game and play territorial rugby - get up the field, kick long/dead and keep them down there, try and force an error. All teams do that at times, some more than others. Unfortunately our players are not defending well enough to force errors or keep teams in their own half. So we keep having to attack from deep ourselves which brings more pressure and repeats of what I said above I do think that Watson needs to look at his player fitness and their attitude to going behind. That’s part of his job to make sure they are up for the fight and at the moment they don’t look it. They remind me of how they were after the points deduction a couple pile of years ago - like ‘why should we bother, the world is against us’. We know that ended up in being seconds from going down. So Watson and the senior players need to pull themselves out of that as soon as possible What Watson isn’t doing is telling them to give daft penalties away, drop the bell, fail to play the ball properly, kick so poorly and so on Before anyone looks at Watson the players need to have a long hard look at themselves If we are good Watson a great coach.If we are not its the players fault someone else brings the players in.He as a job for life then.He would have been sacked ages ago anywhere else. Dixon I understand your argument & yes in most other super league clubs there would have been a change by now, changing for changing sake will not be the answer, we have no funds & I don't think I could see any coach worth is salts coming to Salford & risking his reputation. I don't think any coach good or bad will make much difference with no academy & 20 odd players to pool from. We all recognized Tim Sheens was a good coach, he is currently struggling at HKR & they have a lot more funds than us. in rugby you need good funding to bring in the best to succeed at the highest level, as frustrating as it may seem this is reality. Finally, I not a blinded Watson lover, just pragmatic about where the club is on 1500 dedicated fans trying to keep hold of the assets with vultures circling to pick off the cream.
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Post by gunner on May 21, 2018 9:35:37 GMT
Bigfish
Fair honest assessment, however if we keep playing this style of rugby we will be in the bottom 4. Maybe we need to look at a bit of experience in the middle, to be honest I cannot see how we can persist with Littlejohn. Magic weekend I got more excited about watching all the other games, we have been woeful in the last two matches.
I do feel sorry for Watson, any coach can manage to rotate with a pool of 35 players, we have 20 odd & no academy & very little quality to rotate in the team.
I will keep the faith & be there on Friday but more out of hope than expectation
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Post by gunner on May 21, 2018 9:15:42 GMT
We'll be a different team at home on Friday. Honest, keep the faith. Having traveled to both Leigh & Newcastle, I will have a pint of what you have had!
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Post by gunner on May 14, 2018 7:42:28 GMT
To finish eight.After the dust as settled on our embarrassing performance last Friday night. Who really thinks hand on heart that we can.I know we are now having a discussion about Watson and his methods,and that in my opinion is justified.Its my opinion that he only as five drives and a kick and in normal times he should now be gone.But I realise like others have said we are stuck with him.I have also said that the peanuts we had to spend had to be spent wisely,they haven't so surely the coach should take responsibility,or does that responsibility lie elsewhere.Like others on Friday I left before the end that as never happended in 65 years people are not going to pay good money to watch that,and who can blame them. I understand your frustrations, I also left early, admittedly only a couple of minutes but for the very same reasons as everyone else, I was embarrassed the gulf between us & Leigh was massive. Having had time to reflect we are unfortunately where we are, I think Watson is doing an ok job with the resources he as, ask any other coach to make the half back pairing we have to work, I am sure each coach would struggle, the budget reflects the player we employ? The tactics were appalling on Friday night, however to say Watson is a 5 drives & a kick man is wrong, having watched the style we played with Lui, Dobson, O'Brian & Big Ben would make a difference to any team & the style that we played. on Friday he tried to play to his strengths the pack, it back fired. You can only play with what we have & if the Salford public continue to decline in watching the only professional rugby club, no coach will make any difference & without an academy the future looks bleak.
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Post by gunner on May 1, 2018 15:58:42 GMT
Slight mis-conception there Carnster. The new owners are US the fans. The one person putting any effort in is Andy Rosler, he's a fan, not getting paid and putting endless hours in getting the ship moving again. The other 3 Board members seem to be absent. So the fans own the Club and one person is putting lots of work in and of course Carnster at a distance can criticise OR possibly do something to help your Club which we all partly own. Wonder which it will be? JJR I raised the point not so long ago on this board, I asked a simple question! How were the present board members appointed & what do the other board members bring to the table! I cannot believe the work Andy Rosler gets through but it looks a bit lopsided to me. Do we know when the next fans meeting is likely to be, could not attend the last one?
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Post by gunner on Apr 30, 2018 11:37:56 GMT
Marwen had a shelf life & I will always be grateful for him keeping the dream alive. We have achieved well this season on the smallest budget & have only lost narrowly to Widnes & Wakefield away around us. Alarmingly rugby league does not feature high on the Salford public agenda & with the success of Salford City clearly a new generation of children are gravitating to football rather than rugby.
I feel for the new board & the coaching staff including Ian Watson who is doing an incredible job with both hands behind is back, however I do fear we will slide without real investment & can only hope the coaching staff continue to punch above their weight.
Finally if you need a sugar daddy look no further than Mr Salford who continues to project the image of being local but refuses to help his home town city. (Bet Fred) league sponsors.
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