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Post by russ on Sept 20, 2017 4:41:04 GMT
Dixon I think relegation is the problem! [br Russ we have had no relegation.And some said that was a problem.So what would you suggest. Well, we had a system where those that weren't happy with it moaned from its inception to its demise. A bit like Brexit really. We had/have P&R and most of the clubs that went down carried on going down. We had/have P&R and SL clubs were too busy planning to avoid that to create a long term business plan. We have /had P&R and most seasons the same clubs have dominated. The same argument goes to the loss of Bradford who whatever else they were provided good following for away games and so money in the bank. And then we come to the recruitment issue of the those P'd and those R'd and all the problems that go with that. P&R what's not to like? I'd like a system that rewards those with good business and marketing sense cos the game needs that above all. I'd like stability that no P&R system could ever provide. I'd like promotion from the lower leagues to be there and clear so everyone knows when its been earned and why. And I'd like licensing back. |
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Post by Astleyred on Sept 20, 2017 5:33:04 GMT
Does the best RL league in both hemispheres have P&R, just a thought.
TBH disregarding the new teams coming in (Toulouse and Toronto) who have the backing, there's not many teams in the championship who can gain promotion and then genuinely make a stake in SL and become a challenging force (disregarding KR as they are an SL club).
Go to 14 teams, promote Toronto / KR, no P&R and have all the other clubs as feeder sides for the SL teams, jobs done.
As someone has recently alluded to, SL in this country is in danger of becoming a third rate sport (even women's football is starting to gain more coverage in the media).
Controversial or not I personally feel in a few years time to ensure sustainability for the future things have to be drastically shaken up, I think regional teams will be the way they eventually go which will bring back the old dreaded merger scenario.
I know this will cause controversy and people will hit on heritage and allegences but like it or not appeal, crowds and money are on the decline and I really fear for SL in England in 10-15 years time unless there's radical wholesale changes.
With all the talk of a North American League some where in the not too distant future, with the appetite, backing and vision they have I can see them over taking SL in England at some point.
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Post by Carnster on Sept 20, 2017 7:35:57 GMT
I think it's time that the sport recognised the fact that, like Astleyred said, there's only a certain amount of teams capable of SL from the Championship. Meaning that P&R is a pointless exercise for all but maybe two sides from the lower league. Just have them involved and get rid of P&R. If after a few years the Championship is being dominated by a club that could make a fist of it in SL then maybe look to swap them out with any consistently poor SL side.
I guess the real problem lies in deciding who's worthy and where is the line in the sand? Teams like Halifax and maybe London sit right in the middle. They could become decent SL teams but they also may fade into oblivion. Not to mention the uneven playing field with regards to finances...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 9:12:31 GMT
The NRL system works, you get very little clambering from the lower grades in Australia for promotion more interested parties looking to form a new team in an area and have it included in the top flight and for me I'd copy that.
Who wouldn't like a 16/18 team league where we mirror the NRL comp right through the the grand final thus getting rid of the current unfair Super 8's system. I also feel that this would make for better international competition with more competitive nations.
The part of this that would worry me is that when say a London or NY based team applies for a seat at the top table the powers that be in the sport are not capable of making a decent decision based on the right factors, people like Nigel Wood are not fit for purpose and for me wouldn't be fit to run an expanded successful sport.
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Post by JJR on Sept 20, 2017 13:16:50 GMT
The basic problem is money. The RL in its wisdom keeps a salary cap to a level about a quarter of RU/ NRL so how does anybody expect the sport to be anything but a parochial now probably 3rd rate game, in terms of its level of support. A single top level soccer match costs much more to run than the whole income for a season for an RL club.
All the top players migrate to Auss, RU and probably Canada and the US soon. This is protectionist to support small teams and everything is geared to maintaining the Hetheringtons and Wanes at the top. Just look at the way the present system works, or anything works, totally in their favour.
The only way the sport will will progress and compete is a rigorous franchising system allowing high level investment. Yes Salford and Leigh, Hull And Hull kr etc. alongside Toronto, Catalan, New York, whatever, but not Batley, Barrow, Widnes etc. I think MK tried it but was rebuffed and he and probably Beaumont will walk away in the not to distant future.
We may have a totally stupid system where 9th in SL can be relegated and 4th in the Championship be promoted but it's just the sort of crazy stunt the RL has to play to generate false enthusiasm, sorry nail biting matches.
Sadly Woods and the mafia, on massive salaries, don't want change and the sport will sadly drift to a semi pro level. At best, at the moment, its stagnant.
And remember a stadium built for us is in the process of being bought by a RU club.
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Post by bonitared on Sept 20, 2017 14:26:02 GMT
Where to start ??
According to this weeks newspapers Union is bust. This isn't about investment,it's about the rich funding a sport which is losing money hand over fist. All professional rugby is looking for benefactors because this is NOT an investment.
It is bloody ridiculous that a team finishing 9th can be relegated,just to fuel some end of season 'jeopardy'.
And don't start me off yet again about Wood and his cronies. I've no problem at all with the fat salaries,there is a going rate,but not for a guy that needs specially made suits and his mate who buys them off the market.
We're not paying peanuts so will the monkeys please leave the zoo.
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 20, 2017 18:00:23 GMT
I thought Wood and is friends only work with what the owners decide.So if the owners want to go back to a franchise system that's what will happen.When we had the franchise system,some owners said others were not doing enough to improve and just happy to drift along.
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Post by JJR on Sept 20, 2017 18:08:12 GMT
In theory yes. I'm sure you believe what politicians tell you as well.
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Post by scoot on Sept 20, 2017 18:11:09 GMT
What's this about tony Smith ?
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 20, 2017 18:22:32 GMT
In theory yes. I'm sure you believe what politicians tell you as well. I would believe what one or two told me. |
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Post by JJR on Sept 20, 2017 18:25:55 GMT
Oh dear, you'll be believing the Daily Mail next.
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 20, 2017 21:40:25 GMT
Oh dear, you'll be believing the Daily Mail next. You can save it for me. |
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Post by JJR on Sept 21, 2017 6:04:32 GMT
If I could afford to buy it and was able to read I certainly would.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 6:10:25 GMT
If I could afford to buy it and was able to read I certainly would. If you traded in your signed copy of Mein Kampf you'd be able to get annual subscription  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 6:12:57 GMT
Where to start ?? According to this weeks newspapers Union is bust. This isn't about investment,it's about the rich funding a sport which is losing money hand over fist. All professional rugby is looking for benefactors because this is NOT an investment. Wonder if this gives credence to the Simon Orange interest in Salford? Surely running both clubs at the same time would cut down on staffing, facilities and probably help maximise profits (or minimise loses). |
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