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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:29:18 GMT
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Post by SalfordSlim on Aug 3, 2017 19:37:28 GMT
Beat me to it! That article is only 6 minutes old on the Beeb website so thought I'd be the one with the scoop.  Tragic waste of talent and difficult to see him back in the game after this. Whilst Hock appears to have settled to an extent (too little too late tho IMO) Rangi just appears to have p1ssed on one too many bonfires. Hope he gets sorted out because I can't see how he's gonna cope with a job in the real world and the end of his rugby career could start a downward spiral into some serious problems. |
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Post by Carnster on Aug 3, 2017 19:47:43 GMT
Yeah, well, my sympathy is in short supply on this one. There's only so many times someone can keep messing things up for themselves before you have to say 'Is it serious problems? When faced with one of life's personal hurdles, you decide to mess it up again even though you've identified the problem?' Maybe a couple of times, for the benefit of the doubt. But the sad thing here is that he's just an idiot. Or at least has a prevalence to lean that way at any given time. Help doesn't seem to be the issue here, the issue is an individuals inability to face facts, act on them, or work towards erasing or controlling the problem.
Alcoholics do it every day. Drug-addicts do it every day. Mental health sufferers do it every day. Not all succeed. But the ones that do are the ones that can take personal responsibility, sometimes with assistance, identify and change the behaviour that is causing or fueling the problems.
Chase is either unable to identify or accept the problem. In which case help will do nothing. Or he is able to identify but unable to control himself. In which case help is unlikely to work until the previous statement is worked on.
Should we feel sorry for him? Not anymore. There comes a point where an individual needs to stand-up to themselves and face some harsh truths regardless of their position. Until he does that, my opinion will always be that he fits in the bell-end section, sandwiched between irreversible tosser and former sporting idiot.
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Aug 3, 2017 20:03:59 GMT
Spot on Carnster. I feel a 'bit' bad for Chase as drug and alcohol addiction is a genuine mental health issue, but he's had so many chances in Rugby League and not managed to sort himself out. Times' up on a player that could of, and should of, been at the top of his game for a decade. It's a very sad situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:44:18 GMT
I think it's certain that the man has mental problems and any human being in that predicament deserves empathy and support. Period.
Logic and common sense are not available to an addict, neither is self-reflection and so he deserves as many chances as it takes for him to achieve some form of recovery, away from the game for sure, but it's right that the rugby league family rallies around its wayward son, otherwise we are not worthy of being a professional sport.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 23:00:00 GMT
Sorry but after so many chances it becomes apparent his depression is more than likely stupidity.
As someone with experience of depression and mental illness in the close family this is neither it is someone with an addiction problem who people are providing an excuse for.
He should now be kept away from our game for life, his antics have tarnished clubs throughout Super League far too often.
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Post by bonitared on Aug 4, 2017 3:11:25 GMT
Unusual that you're so short on sympathy here.
The man has problems and seems to be in a downward spiral .
Best wishes. I hope he receives the help he needs and comes through it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 6:13:26 GMT
Just a few weeks ago Denis Betts said that 'Rangi is one of our own now' and so I believe that Widnes will see the man, not the behaviour and help him to rehabilitation.
To abandon Rangi Chase now does him, his family, the game and ultimately ourselves no good whatsoever, he deserves support, not condemnation.
Jimmy
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Post by JJR on Aug 4, 2017 6:50:38 GMT
From what I heard, in Yorkshire, Rangi abandoned his partner and children; if what I heard is true, not a pretty tale.
Lets hope the new group set up in RL can sort him out. Addidiction to anything for whatever reason is a terrible thing, but in the end he has to do it.
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Post by Astleyred on Aug 4, 2017 7:21:50 GMT
Whats with the conclusion of "addiction"?
He clearly has some underlying issues, mental or not I feel big part of these is his character and who he is, but who's to say he'd just not been on a social bender and been caught out?
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Post by Carnster on Aug 4, 2017 7:42:09 GMT
I think we need to be careful with all the 'mental health issues', 'support his problems stance' as it seems to be rolled out with alarming regularity throughout society. While the sentiment is correct and I have no issues with those people with others best intentions at heart, a bigger problem arises when it is banded about with abandon. Namely that not everyone is suffering from anything. Sometimes people are just idiots, and it dilutes and disrespects and insults those people that genuinely suffer from these conditions. We need to be careful of excusing poor behaviour, for those doing it and those that genuinely suffer from problems. It doesn't help to blanket a whole host of problems with the mental health band-aid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 8:21:11 GMT
I think we need to be careful with all the 'mental health issues', 'support his problems stance' as it seems to be rolled out with alarming regularity throughout society. While the sentiment is correct and I have no issues with those people with others best intentions at heart, a bigger problem arises when it is banded about with abandon. Namely that not everyone is suffering from anything. Sometimes people are just idiots, and it dilutes and disrespects and insults those people that genuinely suffer from these conditions. We need to be careful of excusing poor behaviour, for those doing it and those that genuinely suffer from problems. It doesn't help to blanket a whole host of problems with the mental health band-aid. QED! There is also the glaringly obvious that it looks like he doesn't want help and is happy on his self destructive cycle of every decreasing circles. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 8:58:27 GMT
Yes, to my knowledge none of us are health professionals on this forum, but we are human aren't we?
Jimmy
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Post by manny on Aug 4, 2017 9:04:34 GMT
Should the RFL step in and get him the professional help he obviously needs? The last thing anyone connected with the sport would want is another Terry Newton type tragedy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 3:09:43 GMT
24hrs later and Adam Walker gets caught also.
What on earth is the attraction for a professional athlete to do a line of coke? Surely to God a few beers with the risk of a club suspension is favourable to a 2 year exclusive ban?
It just beggars belief it really does.
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