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Post by irishred on May 5, 2017 3:09:06 GMT
All this "I am Salfordian" crap needs to stop.
Would someone like to tell me who is actually qualified? On this and other RLforums I have read that Barton, Irl!am and Cadishead is by some boundary change not Salford, neither according to some is Swinton or Worsley or Mediacity (unless it suits). So where actually does the mythical creature that is a "Salfordian " come from?
The one thing I do know is that they don't show up at the AJ Bell Stadium, however they do seem to start rumours and get upset about their identify (hence my opening question)
Unless these mythical "Salfordians" come out of the wood work quickly is it reasonable to expect a Palestinian refugee to continue subsidising their rugby club by £2/3m a year? Or should he start look beyond the "Salford fans who don't show up'
Some of the comments directed at Koukash are bizzare ( earlier someone abused him for moving from the willows!). Yet people wonder why he blocks people.
So my point is that while I have lived in Irlam for 6 years, Manchester for 6 before that I am made feel as an "outsider," to a supposed "Salfordian" (whatever that is) and while I feel like that I really don't care what they call it. I just want to watch a decent game of rugby and support the team closest to me.
The history means bugger all to me and I suggest to most of the others you need to attract to make sure that the club is around for another 50:years.
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Post by Carnster on May 5, 2017 6:36:19 GMT
The sad fact is, Salford have needed the Salford public to start turning up since the move to the AJ and regardless of the who's and why's they haven't bothered. You can't really blame a Club leaking money at wanting to try anything to improve its fortunes. Like I said, I'm not going to nitpick at the pros and cons or whether it will work just that you have to be able to see it from the Clubs perspective.
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Post by gadger on May 5, 2017 7:20:27 GMT
Don't understand your point here? What you want people to not be proud of where they are from? Not be proud of the history of the team? Nobody anywhere has said non salfordians (of which I am one) can't support the club, but the name salford can't change
As for koukash, yes some have said some rather not nice stuff but that's the minority, most he has blocked for asking simple questions which is petty. And if you think someone mistakenly thinking he moved us from the willows is abuse you must be upset on a regular basis.
I would encourage people to continue to be proud of where they are from, and the clubs identity.
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Post by Admin on May 5, 2017 7:25:27 GMT
Just a quick one to pre-empt any further posts on this thread.
Obviously this is a topic which people have very strong opinions on, so please keep any disagreements as friendly as possible.
Cheers.
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Post by gadger on May 5, 2017 7:37:48 GMT
Apologies I think I may have got the wrong end of the stick on that as well, I think your point is some people have been saying "I'm more Salford than you" on twitter, depending where they are from? If that's the case then that's silly, I haven't seen that Tbf This topic is causing me to not understand plain English at the moment, think I'll just concentrate on the game tonight instead  |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 8:38:07 GMT
Salford is Salford (unless you're from Swinton then you're just scummy) end of.
The Doc is his own worst enemy, man up and grow up or leave antisocial media alone, I've been blocked for asking a subjective question which in certain circumstances helps foster the disquiet towards him.
The attempt at market research is commendable it really is, I do though have massive (I admit based on nothing more than a hunch) misgivings that it is merely an exercise in appeasement.
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Post by stouffer on May 5, 2017 9:31:53 GMT
I really don't care what they call it. I just want to watch a decent game of rugby and support the team closest to me. The history means bugger all to me and I suggest to most of the others you need to attract to make sure that the club is around for another 50:years. Absolutely fair enough, but understand that others feel the exact opposite. There's an airy-fairy philosophical question about what a sports club is here, and for me a sense of place is a huge part of it. For many years what we were watching was very, very far from a decent game of rugby and yet we still turned up. Why? Of course the club has to try to get more people through the gate, but there's a few thousand hardcore fans who feel like their lifelong connection with the club they love is in danger of being trampled in favour of these mythical new fans. That's always going to create strong feelings that I don't think should be dismissed lightly. You may be fine with UK sports following the US model of upping sticks and landing wherever the money is, but I'd find that very sad indeed. |
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Post by SalfordSlim on May 5, 2017 13:48:40 GMT
Stouffer, couldn't have put it any better myself. As a Salfordian (Higher Broughton) born and bred I have a strong affinity with Man Utd (local pro football team), Salford Rugby (local pro RL team), Salford City (local semi-pro football team) & Lancashire Cricket (local County Cricket team). At various stages of my life I've had season tickets for all these teams. Now does me being brought up within 2/3 miles of all these grounds make me any better than a Utd fan living in Devon, a Lancs fan from Burnley or a Salford RL fan from Tameside? Does it b0ll0cks, but every time I walk past/into one of these grounds I get a buzz as it's my local team and I feel a strong bond which I don't think I'd get if I moved elsewhere and started watching a local sports team. I've never understood people supporting teams from afar but if people want to do it it's their choice.
IrishRed - If your rant is about the w@nkers on Tw@tter who claim to be super fans because they're Salfordians then fair enough. In future I'd seriously think how you put things across tho as you just appear to be slagging everyone off who identifies themselves as Salfordian. The Tw@tter brigade should just be ignored, generally those with the most to say are the least intelligent yet most argumentative(Joey Barton anyone?!😊) I think most people on here know one or 2 of these people who think they're above the average fan but I personally don't use Tw@tter and Facebook to avoid these types of people.
Moving location for our club would be the death knell for many who can relate to some of my thoughts above. For others, it won't, but IMO a move to Manchester will rip a large chunk of our soul and history and we'll end up with an AFC Wimbledon/MK Dons situation.
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Post by hillbillyred on May 5, 2017 14:30:52 GMT
AMEN A comment about being a Salfordian: I remember being told that I wasn't a real Salfordian as I lived at the Heights: only real Salfordians were from Ordsall and Chapel Street. I also seem to remember a comment about this in Perry Boys. When I went to school at De La Salle, it was stated it was in Pendleton. Many older inhabitants of Eccles Old Road also stated they lived in Pendleton. Then there were the anti-semitic comments about the people from Broughton (despite, from memory again) more Glaswegian accents in the two Broughtons in this period (60's and 70's). Five years ago, a friend stated she was fed up with reading Eccles, Salford as it was not in Salford: yes, she lives in the Ordsall area! So don't worry IrishRed: the above definitions explain why there are so few Salfordians and so, possibly, so few fans (  ). Nobody wins once mental borders are so firm. Now, after the match, home to Rochdale and even more bitter them and us: try Rochdale and Middleton! |
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Post by SalfordSlim on May 5, 2017 15:31:51 GMT
AMEN A comment about being a Salfordian: I remember being told that I wasn't a real Salfordian as I lived at the Heights: only real Salfordians were from Ordsall and Chapel Street. I also seem to remember a comment about this in Perry Boys. When I went to school at De La Salle, it was stated it was in Pendleton. Many older inhabitants of Eccles Old Road also stated they lived in Pendleton. Then there were the anti-semitic comments about the people from Broughton (despite, from memory again) more Glaswegian accents in the two Broughtons in this period (60's and 70's). Five years ago, a friend stated she was fed up with reading Eccles, Salford as it was not in Salford: yes, she lives in the Ordsall area! tf So don't worry IrishRed: the above definitions explain why there are so few Salfordians and so, possibly, so few fans ( ). Nobody wins once mental borders are so firm. Now, after the match, home to Rochdale and even more bitter them and us: try Rochdale and Middleton! So a Salfordian is basically someone born within the sound of the bells of Pendleton Church a'la Cockneys and the Bow Bells?!  Dear god, WTF is going on?!?! As for your female friend saying Eccles isn't in Salford there was one word in that sentence that summed it up.... "she". Women and Geography do not mix! Btw, if I have to be from Ordsall or Chapel St to be classified as Salfordian than I denounce my Salfordianship immediately!!  You're better off being a Manc.... As for Worsley not being in Salford, we all know those posh gits don't like to associate with us riff-raff. It's always fascinated me when people move the borders to suit their needs (Little Hulton & Walkden residents claiming to live in Worsley anyone? ). I used to be an Estate Agent in Chorlton and the amount of houses up for sale in Old Trafford, Whalley Range, Stretford claiming to all be in Chorlton was ridiculous. |
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Post by prestwichred on May 6, 2017 12:16:53 GMT
I was born and bred in Middleton. Met and married a girl from Salford and moved to Prestwich where I still live.
Both my kids were born in Hope Hospital.
I do have people jokingly say I can't sing certain songs ( including my wife) because I am not from Salford but apart from that I have not had anyone saying anything else.
If we do become successful then we will get fans from other areas, it's what happens when a team starts winning.
We need these people as the good people of Salford have just not been there.
No matter what is done free tkts, promotions you name it there is no interest.
If all these people mouthing off on Twitter (Salford 29k followers) actually came to a game then IB, IW and MK would not have to moan continually about attendances.
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Post by kitch on May 6, 2017 12:51:43 GMT
I grew up in Macclesfield and moved from there to Chorlton when I was 27! (5 years ago) Got no particular reason to support one side over another, just ended up picking Salford when I was about 12, after years of my dad taking me to all manner of random matches. Stuck with it.
In this modern era, a large chunk of fans of any club will be like me. People move round a lot, people come from outside the area. Salford are my team, always will be. Am I a Salfordion? Of course not! Am I passionate about the club! Yes!
I like taking hipster friends to matches. They have no idea what to make of the sport. It's fun. Most of them cringe at the first big tackle, but are cheering them by half time.
I am not the traditional demographic at all, bearded folk musician that I am, but I love the sport and I love the club. Always will.
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Post by hammerlessnail on May 6, 2017 14:46:22 GMT
There's plenty that I could say here about tribal identity and what it means to be a Salfordian, but, know what? I'm not going to. We saw an outstanding performance last night, and we should be talking about that, not the latest "shoot first, remove from holster later" ill thought out chip-pissing session from the Dear Leader.
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Post by dixon13 on May 6, 2017 15:19:03 GMT
There's plenty that I could say here about tribal identity and what it means to be a Salfordian, but, know what? I'm not going to. We saw an outstanding performance last night, and we should be talking about that, not the latest "shoot first, remove from holster later" ill thought out chip-pissing session from the Dear Leader. Agree 100%.But for what it is worth,my own opinion is it is all done and dusted.We shall wait and see. |
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Post by irishred on May 10, 2017 3:34:52 GMT
Firstly, I am sorry for my very direct opening post. It has however revealed something I sort of thought might be the case: No one appears to be able to agree on what actually qualifies someone to be a "Salfordian", but many of the SRD supporters are definitely not (me included), but because of some random period in their life they have become one. They may not think of themselves as "Salfordians" , but they (and me) have become passionate about SRD.
While they/I may not actually consider ourselves as Salfordians, the history of Salford RL is embedded in us all. No matter where we are from or now live, we have become fans of SRD.
The history of the club is what has hooked, all those like me, if you lose the history you lose it all.
So all this stuff about "people of Salford" needs to stop and let us entice people of Greater Manchester with the name and history of Salford our current SL position! That is where most of our current supporters are and where our new ones will come from! |
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). Nobody wins once mental borders are so firm.
Dear god, WTF is going on?!?! 
