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Post by russ on Oct 3, 2024 17:01:40 GMT
Oh for the want of .....  If he does as well as Frank did he will be fine. I was in the dressing room one time at the Willows and he tried to sell me Sellotape and pens but more importantly, powerful and skillful and an enforcer when you needed one. Magic! |
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Post by JJR on Oct 3, 2024 19:06:07 GMT
I always remember Frank scoring a try against Wigan at Central Park, in the corner to knock Wigan out of the Cup
Sad end tho for Frank’s…great player..and a hero of mine
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Post by russ on Oct 3, 2024 19:36:22 GMT
I always remember Frank scoring a try against Wigan at Central Park, in the corner to knock Wigan out of the Cup Sad end tho for Frank’s…great player..and a hero of mine I honestly think that although it was a much more violent game then, it seemed to more honest, more fun and good to be around.
Of course it may not be the game that's changed so much as the people!
I never knew he'd played in back positions early in his career until the other day!
Do you think cloning might be the answer,JJR?
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 4, 2024 9:05:04 GMT
I always remember Frank scoring a try against Wigan at Central Park, in the corner to knock Wigan out of the Cup Sad end tho for Frank’s…great player..and a hero of mine I honestly think that although it was a much more violent game then, it seemed to more honest, more fun and good to be around.
Of course it may not be the game that's changed so much as the people!
I never knew he'd played in back positions early in his career until the other day!
Do you think cloning might be the answer,JJR?
A full time playing Frank Collier would be the first prop on the team sheet,just think that seventies side playing now full time we was blessed to have seen them because what we are playing now is a form of rugby tick. |
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Post by russ on Oct 4, 2024 9:21:37 GMT
I honestly think that although it was a much more violent game then, it seemed to more honest, more fun and good to be around.
Of course it may not be the game that's changed so much as the people!
I never knew he'd played in back positions early in his career until the other day!
Do you think cloning might be the answer,JJR?
A full time playing Frank Collier would be the first prop on the team sheet,just think that seventies side playing now full time we was blessed to have seen them because what we are playing now is a form of rugby tick. Yes of course old time stars would've adapted to the modern game because of their skills. The modern game is tick in that there is no sense of war and off the ball violence but the collisions are greater because of the full time element. We often laud the NRL for being the top but it also killed off loads of skills and attributes that attracted many to the game in the first place.
The War was far more fun though!
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Post by cmillward20 on Oct 4, 2024 9:55:42 GMT
A full time playing Frank Collier would be the first prop on the team sheet,just think that seventies side playing now full time we was blessed to have seen them because what we are playing now is a form of rugby tick. Yes of course old time stars would've adapted to the modern game because of their skills. The modern game is tick in that there is no sense of war and off the ball violence but the collisions are greater because of the full time element. We often laud the NRL for being the top but it also killed off loads of skills and attributes that attracted many to the game in the first place.
The War was far more fun though!
It’s near impossible to compare the old to the new Any past team wouldn’t compete due to pure size and all new technology, different games almost |
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Post by Carnster on Oct 4, 2024 10:11:28 GMT
Think we all wear rose-tinted glasses with regards to how the game was in the past. While there were many incredible players for their time it's pointless trying to compare the game of the past with the game of the present. While pure skill sets are timeless, the advance of technology, diet, medicine has made modern players, especially at the higher levels, athletes that those in the past would struggle to compete with. The game is faster, harder, and more technically superior in almost every way. That's not to denigrate those teams and players past. Time marches on and things change.
Apples with oranges. We can enjoy the games of the past, but the changes in society and sports mean that the pinnacle of sports professionalism stretches far forward from the golden age of RL. For better or worse.
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Post by russ on Oct 4, 2024 10:26:48 GMT
Yes of course old time stars would've adapted to the modern game because of their skills. The modern game is tick in that there is no sense of war and off the ball violence but the collisions are greater because of the full time element. We often laud the NRL for being the top but it also killed off loads of skills and attributes that attracted many to the game in the first place.
The War was far more fun though!
It’s near impossible to compare the old to the new Any past team wouldn’t compete due to pure size and all new technology, different games almost Everything about our views is subjective but comparison is fairly straight forward scrums and the PTB were a nightmare then for all sorts of reasons and penalisable offenses, and now you sneeze and the ref gives a penalty for incorrect PTB.
I have to say I'm not against change or changes and the violence needed cleansing but fun seems to be a thing for an archaeological dig in RL these days.
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Post by russ on Oct 4, 2024 10:29:51 GMT
Think we all wear rose-tinted glasses with regards to how the game was in the past. While there were many incredible players for their time it's pointless trying to compare the game of the past with the game of the present. While pure skill sets are timeless, the advance of technology, diet, medicine has made modern players, especially at the higher levels, athletes that those in the past would struggle to compete with. The game is faster, harder, and more technically superior in almost every way. That's not to denigrate those teams and players past. Time marches on and things change. Apples with oranges. We can enjoy the games of the past, but the changes in society and sports mean that the pinnacle of sports professionalism stretches far forward from the golden age of RL. For better or worse. I think Youtube videos of past GB v Oz tests and CC finals would cure anyone of "Argh! I remember it well" syndrome.
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 4, 2024 15:47:32 GMT
Think we all wear rose-tinted glasses with regards to how the game was in the past. While there were many incredible players for their time it's pointless trying to compare the game of the past with the game of the present. While pure skill sets are timeless, the advance of technology, diet, medicine has made modern players, especially at the higher levels, athletes that those in the past would struggle to compete with. The game is faster, harder, and more technically superior in almost every way. That's not to denigrate those teams and players past. Time marches on and things change. Apples with oranges. We can enjoy the games of the past, but the changes in society and sports mean that the pinnacle of sports professionalism stretches far forward from the golden age of RL. For better or worse. I think Youtube videos of past GB v Oz tests and CC finals would cure anyone of "Argh! I remember it well" syndrome.
Russ Just go back to great Wigan side of Gregory Edwards Shelford Dean Bell and the rest I would back that team against what they have now, I think Alex Murphy could play this game in his overcoat. It's like would George Best get in this United team,do me a favour. |
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Post by russ on Oct 4, 2024 16:20:18 GMT
I think Youtube videos of past GB v Oz tests and CC finals would cure anyone of "Argh! I remember it well" syndrome.
Russ Just go back to great Wigan side of Gregory Edwards Shelford Dean Bell and the rest I would back that team against what they have now, I think Alex Murphy could play this game in his overcoat. It's like would George Best get in this United team,do me a favour. Yes of course that's right dixon, I think the game itself had problems on the pitch that needed solving but the undoubted quality of past players should never be in question.
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Post by JJR on Oct 4, 2024 19:17:54 GMT
Something measurable:
One of the things that amazes me is touch kicking. David Watkins could spin a touch kick on either side and gain 50 yards or more…today even Sneyd often puts it just 20/ 30 yards
What’s happened to that skill?
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Post by russ on Oct 4, 2024 19:47:14 GMT
Something measurable: One of the things that amazes me is touch kicking. David Watkins could spin a touch kick on either side and gain 50 yards or more…today even Sneyd often puts it just 20/ 30 yards What’s happened to that skill? First of all Watkins could kick exceptionally long but kickers were rarely put under pressure in the same way back then which may go some way to answering your question JJR.
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 4, 2024 23:06:06 GMT
Something measurable: One of the things that amazes me is touch kicking. David Watkins could spin a touch kick on either side and gain 50 yards or more…today even Sneyd often puts it just 20/ 30 yards What’s happened to that skill? I remember one game it was on the stroke of half time Watkins Put over a drop kick from the half way line Johnny Ward just shook is head in amazement |
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Post by JJR on Oct 5, 2024 3:53:47 GMT
Something measurable: One of the things that amazes me is touch kicking. David Watkins could spin a touch kick on either side and gain 50 yards or more…today even Sneyd often puts it just 20/ 30 yards What’s happened to that skill? First of all Watkins could kick exceptionally long but kickers were rarely put under pressure in the same way back then which may go some way to answering your question JJR.
I’m talking about free kicks to touch R |
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