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Post by bigkeev on Oct 4, 2023 15:53:30 GMT
Serious question, are we genuinely at the end of the road as a viable, full-time professional entity? I've always been hopeful of something just around the corner before, however this latest financial set back makes me think this corner is genuinely unturnable at this point. With the state of the games general finances being what they are. With almost every club running at a loss and at the whim of generous benefactors, would we just not be better accepting our fate at this point. Nobody is coming to save us, the support required to keep us competitive isn't there. And the days of surviving on central funding appear slso to be over. I'm beginning to think a part time future in the Championship, might be better than this death by a thousand cuts and inevitable relegation. I'm interested to hear if anyone has any genuine optimism for anything the future holds for the club at the moment. I'm really hopeful someone has something beyond the old "keep the faith" rubbish, because after 4 decades I'm about run out I'm afraid?
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Post by johnh1 on Oct 4, 2023 16:36:23 GMT
At 65 years of age, I feel fortunate to have watched Salford play in the Challenge Cup Final and the Grand Final. I doubt if I will see either again in my lifetime. But I live in hope.
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Post by red54 on Oct 12, 2023 9:26:49 GMT
It’s to sad a thing to think about, Rugby League is my main interest in sport and Salford is my one and only club ever since I watched them play Oldham in 1959 at the willows, a game which we lost, that didn’t put me off though, todays predicament we find ourself in is simply one of money, and it’s only money that can get us out of it.
I have no answers, I have no thoughts, I have some money gladly that I would give to the club to be used wisely as in the share issue but I can’t do it every year it wouldn’t be right.
I am sick of the false dawns and reboots, I feel sorry for Bleasey and Paul Rowley who work tirelessly and steadfastly to make the Club a better environment, I blame no one at the Club for the state of affairs, the blame, shame and entire mismanagement of the Sport of Rugby League is at the feet of the Rugby League itself.
To answer the question of are we at a crossroads, in my opinion very nearly but only this time next year will give us that answer.
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Post by JJR on Oct 12, 2023 10:52:33 GMT
I don’t think we’re at a crossroads Russ; we’re a survival Club. In the Plan (5 year Business Plan 2023 - 8) this year 2023, as far as I can make out, the Share Option was planned to raise£1m and the income from hospitality was set to raise just over £116k, with the overall income between £1.5 and £2m.
Obviously we didn’t raise this amount of income so we have to sell players to survive.
Not sure what the 2024 plan is but maybe those on the sub committees will give us the information as they’re being included in order to achieve that plan.
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Post by lhred on Oct 12, 2023 11:06:36 GMT
I know me and jjr are at loggerheads sometimes but regarding the board yes they do there best but there just not professional enough,I see we have Chris Irwin whose been a coach at Eccles the job of commercial manager the mind boggles!and speaking to a couple of sponsors they say the girl there think it’s something fitton is only interested in talking to selco and Morson,now yes it’s a thankless task but it’s just amateur the way we have gone about it!
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Post by red54 on Oct 12, 2023 11:27:54 GMT
Was talking to a former player loved the club and the fans, not really the running of the Club, he said the Sponsorship of the players was garbage, all the club wanted the sponsors of the players to do is stump up cash for the club, didn’t really encourage player/sponsor involvement, players got absolutely nothing from the sponsors , he talked about being used by the sponsor for advertisement and other involvement , definitely not wanted by the the club.
He tried talking to the then runners of the club about having the players out in the community apparently they were all wanting to do this to promote the club but it fell on deaf ears. It is plain to see the Club except for the recruitment and coaching staff haven’t got a clue.
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Post by JJR on Oct 12, 2023 11:28:11 GMT
I’m not sure about personnel LHR, but I don’t understand the need or logic for an oversize Board and then bringing in more people to work in sub-committees. It’s not quantity we need its quality.
And from above Lhr negotiation, relationship development and income generation is a science not an art form: sadly everybody just thinks you need to ask. I used to ban people from asking for resource….and accountants😩
Not sure what the Plan is for 2024 except sell players and increase attendance a bit again….but putting pressure on Rowley to keep performing without his stars might have the reverse effect on crowds. Just hope Rowley rides the storm as well.
Seems we possibly need a rethink.
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Post by andyjc7 on Oct 12, 2023 11:37:58 GMT
Feels like we’re between a rock and a hard place
As a supporter I understand the need to balance the books and along with plenty have bought season tickets , merchandise, squad builders along with recent shares but also now feel a little let down with the need to keep selling
How many other sports would keep asking for money and investment when the product isn’t as good as it once was - loyalty will keep people going and chipping in but there also has to be a realism about expectations
If we’re happy to finish 10/11th then ok but then people must expect crowds to dip if product isn’t as good - can’t keep expecting people to pay more for less
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Post by worsleyreddevil on Oct 12, 2023 13:19:33 GMT
Feels like we’re between a rock and a hard place As a supporter I understand the need to balance the books and along with plenty have bought season tickets , merchandise, squad builders along with recent shares but also now feel a little let down with the need to keep selling How many other sports would keep asking for money and investment when the product isn’t as good as it once was - loyalty will keep people going and chipping in but there also has to be a realism about expectations If we’re happy to finish 10/11th then ok but then people must expect crowds to dip if product isn’t as good - can’t keep expecting people to pay more for less Good post, we are 300k down, surely selling Croft is enough. I want to know what happened to the Dupree fee? We are down due to central funding being cut yet up in terms of this years attendances - a record set and a player sold for more than 175k. The share money is ring fenced but we still must have other increased area's of cash flow. We've also moved Escare, Sarginson and Lannon on via compromise agreements. |
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Post by JJR on Oct 12, 2023 13:29:50 GMT
We raised only a third of what was planned for in the Share Ownership model, £1m planned, so it’s into the big black hole with other monies to keep us solvent presumably.And we didn’t get the 22% off Sale…whatever th3 contract is.😩
Wasn’t it early in th3 season when it was identified that the Club struggled to pay wages.
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Post by mauricethered on Oct 12, 2023 13:34:52 GMT
I’m not sure about personnel LHR, but I don’t understand the need or logic for an oversize Board and then bringing in more people to work in sub-committees. It’s not quantity we need its quality. And from above Lhr negotiation, relationship development and income generation is a science not an art form: sadly everybody just thinks you need to ask. I used to ban people from asking for resource….and accountants😩 Not sure what the Plan is for 2024 except sell players and increase attendance a bit again….but putting pressure on Rowley to keep performing without his stars might have the reverse effect on crowds. Just hope Rowley rides the storm as well. Seems we possibly need a rethink. The reason for this structure JJR is that the small team the club has of 7-10 FTEs do not have the means to implement business change across all areas. For example this Chris Irwin who is mentioned as Head of Commercial is one person. 5-6 business people involved in Commercial might be game changing even if it is opening doors to businesses. The lack of resource is what is holding the club back hence the Sub Committees are designed to act as a support mechanism and delegate certain actions. |
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Post by JJR on Oct 12, 2023 13:56:55 GMT
If you look at the Club Plan to raise between £1.5 - £2m this year MTR, it’s way out of line and players had to be sold….before you develop resource and set them on a pathway the Plan has to be airtight. I would suggest this is where you start developing* and testing a proper plan. That’s why I asked earlier what the 2024 Plan was as the 2023 one had failed so badly.
Top heavy Board, what is their expertise, lots of Sub Committees but where are they going?
So what is the 2024 Plan? That’s the starting point
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Post by JJR on Oct 12, 2023 14:34:56 GMT
We do have an IMG planned approach Russ if you care to read th3 Strategic Plan, but our Plan is not succeeding. I consider we’re still on th3 roller coaster (going round in circles probably) and my fear is that we do not reach a crossroads where we may meet another roller coaster.
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Post by prestwichred on Oct 12, 2023 17:32:31 GMT
We do have an IMG planned approach Russ if you care to read th3 Strategic Plan, but our Plan is not succeeding. I consider we’re still on th3 roller coaster (going round in circles probably) and my fear is that we do not reach a crossroads where we may meet another roller coaster. Tell you what instead of constantly moaning and bitching why don’t YOU go and do something. It’s just boring your constant sniping at the club, have you really nothing else to do ? The sub committees are doing work behind the scenes that needs doing. There was a meeting this week why did you not go and offer help ? No it’s just easier to come on here and complain isn’t it and profess to know everything when in reality you know nothing at all. |
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Post by cmillward20 on Oct 12, 2023 17:48:48 GMT
We do have an IMG planned approach Russ if you care to read th3 Strategic Plan, but our Plan is not succeeding. I consider we’re still on th3 roller coaster (going round in circles probably) and my fear is that we do not reach a crossroads where we may meet another roller coaster. Tell you what instead of constantly moaning and bitching why don’t YOU go and do something. It’s just boring your constant sniping at the club, have you really nothing else to do ? The sub committees are doing work behind the scenes that needs doing. There was a meeting this week why did you not go and offer help ? No it’s just easier to come on here and complain isn’t it and profess to know everything when in reality you know nothing at all. What a weird opinion😂 the whole point of a forum is to discuss things you can’t just have positive thoughts about the club all the time that would just de delusional. As you say things are happening behind the scenes but as I’ve said before to the casual fan it really doesn’t look good, we need to get ahead of the story and try and spin something to be optimistic about |
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